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Post by caino on Nov 6, 2024 11:17:06 GMT
There’s similarities with Gyokeres and Hojlund and with some better coaching / foundations Hojlund can be a superb player. The beauty is he has time and age on his side. Gyokeres is 26 coming into his peak. A perfect signing and balance of a forward line. Add in that young kid they signed from arsenal. Amorim has said Gyokeres won’t be going anywhere until the end of the season tho which is fair enough. It would be absurd to sign gyokeres without giving Rasmus a fair crack. Rasmus will get a fair crack for the remainder of the season. He is young enough to be a rotation player too and he could still occupy one of the front 3 positions (although I’m not sure how he sets up his front 3). Not against having a roster of top CFs either - Liverpool have 7 forwards that can play all across the front |
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Post by redcase on Nov 6, 2024 11:45:37 GMT
It would be absurd to sign gyokeres without giving Rasmus a fair crack. Rasmus will get a fair crack for the remainder of the season. He is young enough to be a rotation player too and he could still occupy one of the front 3 positions (although I’m not sure how he sets up his front 3). Not against having a roster of top CFs either - Liverpool have 7 forwards that can play all across the front We do need a strong forward line. Fergie himself had about 3-4 excellent forwards on the payroll at all times. However Gyokeres would not be interested in rotation. Hojlund should not be demoralised into being a rotational player. This season should be the litmus test for Amad, Rashford and Zirkzee. If those three don't fit his plans then they'd be the first to leave I imagine. Chido Obi Martin is absolutely murdering his competition so I imagine he may get a shout sometime next season. Hojlund, Nacho and Bruno are untouchable as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by seanie on Nov 6, 2024 12:10:19 GMT
Rasmus will get a fair crack for the remainder of the season. He is young enough to be a rotation player too and he could still occupy one of the front 3 positions (although I’m not sure how he sets up his front 3). Not against having a roster of top CFs either - Liverpool have 7 forwards that can play all across the front We do need a strong forward line. Fergie himself had about 3-4 excellent forwards on the payroll at all times. However Gyokeres would not be interested in rotation. Hojlund should not be demoralised into being a rotational player. This season should be the litmus test for Amad, Rashford and Zirkzee. If those three don't fit his plans then they'd be the first to leave I imagine. Chido Obi Martin is absolutely murdering his competition so I imagine he may get a shout sometime next season. Hojlund, Nacho and Bruno are untouchable as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely, it's time to really go for it up front and the age profile with a peak forward would be good too. If they did go after Gyokeres, he's there now at his peak at 26. It doesn't mean Hojlund is out, they can both play their part and it would mean we have our striker situation sorted for the long haul. Whatever about transfers those forwards will really need to improve this season and they are now fighting for their positions They all better learn to run a lot, because that Sporting team is relentless. That's what I noticed about them they just keep coming and coming and the work rate was phenominal around the pitch. |
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Post by seanie on Nov 6, 2024 12:14:27 GMT
Gyokeres needs to be the first signing in the summer, we need goals, sell zirkzee and rasmus will need to improve and earn a place in the starting 11
We need to remember he couldn't do it on a cold wet night in Coventry.
Not exactly true though is it, he scored 40 goals in 80 odd games. He may also just really fit the way Amorim plays. He was ignored at Brighton and sold for 1m by Dan Ashworth. |
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Post by seanie on Nov 6, 2024 12:20:45 GMT
The good thing is Amorim has time to work with Hojlund, Rashford Garnacho and Amad etc before the Summer and make that decision, but for me if he's available for 70m pounds and other clubs are lining up we would be crazy not to bring him. We need two proper strikers and he can improve the wing backs and wingers and we produce better wide players than we buy!
3-4-3, but also could play 3-5-2 like Inter, with Hojlund and Gyokeres would also be pretty amazing.
We should never spend 70-80m again on any youngster especially wide players
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 6, 2024 12:38:02 GMT
I like rasmus and think he can certainly kick on, but we have been absolutely wank for years now and for me we can't wait for him to come good and hope he can score goals, if amorim wants gyokeres then we buy him, he's proven the last few seasons he's one of the most prolific CFS currently, we as a club need to stop waiting and hoping players will come good, if they ain't cutting it we need to be ruthless and move them on it's the only way we will ever be able to catch up.
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Nov 6, 2024 13:24:56 GMT
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Post by seanie on Nov 6, 2024 13:43:41 GMT
I like rasmus and think he can certainly kick on, but we have been absolutely wank for years now and for me we can't wait for him to come good and hope he can score goals, if amorim wants gyokeres then we buy him, he's proven the last few seasons he's one of the most prolific CFS currently, we as a club need to stop waiting and hoping players will come good, if they ain't cutting it we need to be ruthless and move them on it's the only way we will ever be able to catch up. Majority of strikers don't hit peak form till 26+ except for a few freaks. Wide players are different because they rely on raw pace. That's what we have now raw talent and pace and it's clearly showing up in the data and the eye test and it was a decision by the club to do this. It's not just about finishing, it's about timing of runs and positioning and that takes experience at a certain level like anything else! Even Ronaldo took 3 years into his 4th at United and a year at Sporting so a good 4 years to really be a difference and that's the best striker in the world for a long time. If you look at RVP's early years 20-24/25 they were also ordinary and mostly second to Henry. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Nov 6, 2024 14:16:38 GMT
This kid is scoring at Hollunds pace from a year or so ago, but he is doing it in big games unlike him.
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Post by Paul on Nov 6, 2024 14:19:41 GMT
There’s similarities with Gyokeres and Hojlund and with some better coaching / foundations Hojlund can be a superb player. The beauty is he has time and age on his side. Gyokeres is 26 coming into his peak. A perfect signing and balance of a forward line. Add in that young kid they signed from arsenal. Amorim has said Gyokeres won’t be going anywhere until the end of the season tho which is fair enough. Very similar physically. But did you see the number of through balls played to him last night? Maybe Anorim can change Hojlund’s positioning slightly? Or perhaps he can get other players to actually pass and cross the ball. Hojlund has all the attributes to be a top striker. It is criminal the lack of ball he gets in and around the box. Amorim has a task on his hands but if he can get it right things will look a lot differently for us. We still need another striker, but in the meantime we need to utilise Hojlund a lot better. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Nov 6, 2024 14:25:30 GMT
Very similar physically. But did you see the number of through balls played to him last night? Maybe Anorim can change Hojlund’s positioning slightly? Or perhaps he can get other players to actually pass and cross the ball. Hojlund has all the attributes to be a top striker. It is criminal the lack of ball he gets in and around the box. Amorim has a task on his hands but if he can get it right things will look a lot differently for us. We still need another striker, but in the meantime we need to utilise Hojlund a lot better. I have more faith that Hojlund will be the striker his is capable of than Zirzkee currently. In all metrics you gauge a striker he has shown strong tools to step to that level. His pace and ability to slip defenders with the ball at his feet has probably surprised me the most |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 6, 2024 16:16:06 GMT
I do have faith in Hojlund, but we still need one more striker , a proper world class one at that.
Not another teenager with 'potential' which we have to wait 6 years to unlock.
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Post by viking22 on Nov 6, 2024 18:10:01 GMT
The issue with Hojlund is he has a bad habit of getting injured at the wrong time and he's yet to mature into a prolific goal scorer. With all our other forwards misfiring a striker scoring 15 goals a season isn't going to cut it. And he's 21 and strikers generally take time to mature so could be a few seasons before he develops into a 25-30 goal a season striker.
So bringing in either Gyokores or Osimhen this summer should be our number 1 priority. If Amorim turns us into a good team we will be playing 50-60 games a season so Hojlund will still get opportunities.
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Post by unitedsotex on Nov 6, 2024 18:17:30 GMT
The issue with Hojlund is he has a bad habit of getting injured at the wrong time and he's yet to mature into a prolific goal scorer. With all our other forwards misfiring a striker scoring 15 goals a season isn't going to cut it. And he's 21 and strikers generally take time to mature so could be a few seasons before he develops into a 25-30 goal a season striker. So bringing in either Gyokores or Osimhen this summer should be our number 1 priority. If Amorim turns us into a good team we will be playing 50-60 games a season so Hojlund will still get opportunities. Last year his issue was service. In Jan/Feb he went on that run of 7 goals in 6 games or something like that and it all feel down to better service, then boom injured and ETH went back to him pushing no service again. IDK if it's timing or shit service this year but when he is on he is always working to get into the right area. I agree he needs more time, but based on how SP have constantly fed Gyokeres the ball there could be something on the horizon if he can get that kind of service. We have until Jan to see what comes out of it though |
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Post by caino on Nov 6, 2024 19:13:27 GMT
It’s the most hopeful I’ve been of this club in recent memory. A proper board now employing one of the best young coaches / managers in the world. There’s talent in the squad and they’re setting up well for the future.
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