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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 3, 2024 19:56:52 GMT
The amount of chances and easy chances as well our forwards miss at what point do we conclude that actually they just ain't that good, we have bought absolutely shit for years standards are so low at the minute I think we are over rating some of these players, how many of our current team get in city Liverpool arsenals 11?
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Post by Kamilo on Nov 3, 2024 20:06:27 GMT
I struggle to understand what people expect of Hojlund; he is a kid. United should never have such an inexperienced player as their main/only striker. Zirkzee is an obvious second striker, can’t understand the thinking of playing him upfront. True but as my point above is we paid around 60 million for him(for me that’s far too much for an unproven kid). That sort of money should be getting you a proven striker. any prospects should be at most around 30 million. Hojlund should learn that he doesn’t have to play on the CBs shoulder and should move laterally to make space for himself to get space through the middle. The midfield should learn to give him service in the same way, not back to goal or in the air. If he doesn’t want to play on the shoulder of the CB he should learn that Haaland body check and make space for himself more. He’s dangerous if he gets the ball out from under him and in stride, but he usually doesn’t get that far. |
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Post by Stretty on Nov 3, 2024 20:10:21 GMT
True but as my point above is we paid around 60 million for him(for me that’s far too much for an unproven kid). That sort of money should be getting you a proven striker. any prospects should be at most around 30 million. Hojlund should learn that he doesn’t have to play on the CBs shoulder and should move laterally to make space for himself to get space through the middle. The midfield should learn to give him service in the same way, not back to goal or in the air. If he doesn’t want to play on the shoulder of the CB he should learn that Haaland body check and make space for himself more. He’s dangerous if he gets the ball out from under him and in stride, but he usually doesn’t get that far. Hopefully this is where Ruben earns his corn and gets some major improvements in our players. |
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Post by gdmm on Nov 3, 2024 20:12:43 GMT
I struggle to understand what people expect of Hojlund; he is a kid. United should never have such an inexperienced player as their main/only striker. Zirkzee is an obvious second striker, can’t understand the thinking of playing him upfront. True but as my point above is we paid around 60 million for him(for me that’s far too much for an unproven kid). That sort of money should be getting you a proven striker. any prospects should be at most around 30 million. Wouldn’t disagree. |
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Post by viking22 on Nov 3, 2024 20:20:54 GMT
Zirzkee is a bit of a headscratcher. Too slow to play out wide. Not a natural goal scorer. And we already have Bruno and Mount capable of playing as a number 10 and no one plays with two upfront anymore. Primary attraction seems to have been that he was cheap at £30m or so. But we should be able to recoup most of our outlay.
Hojlund is unfairly criticized. The service he gets is absolutely shit. Last seen even with shit service he still managed 15 goals and his goal conversion rate was up there with some of the best strikers in the league. Consistency is obviously an issue and injuries haven't helped with that.
But we do obviously need another striker and we could do a lot worse than Gyokeres. He has a £83m release clause in January but some sources say it might be lower in the summer.
We could also do with a proper right winger. Garnacho and Rashford can fight it out on the left wing. I like Amad but I don't think he's going to make it for us. Not enough end product.
Then we just need to buy a left back (Davies?), another centre back (Inacio? Diomande?) and another midfielder (Hjulmand? Wharton?) and we should be good to go for next season.
And we are already getting £33m for Sancho in the summer, we should be able to recoup most of our money for Zirzkee, maybe get something for Antony and/or Amad etc.
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Post by Stretty on Nov 3, 2024 20:36:33 GMT
Zirzkee is a bit of a headscratcher. Too slow to play out wide. Not a natural goal scorer. And we already have Bruno and Mount capable of playing as a number 10 and no one plays with two upfront anymore. Primary attraction seems to have been that he was cheap at £30m or so. But we should be able to recoup most of our outlay. Hojlund is unfairly criticized. The service he gets is absolutely shit. Last seen even with shit service he still managed 15 goals and his goal conversion rate was up there with some of the best strikers in the league. Consistency is obviously an issue and injuries haven't helped with that. But we do obviously need another striker and we could do a lot worse than Gyokeres. He has a £83m release clause in January but some sources say it might be lower in the summer. We could also do with a proper right winger. Garnacho and Rashford can fight it out on the left wing. I like Amad but I don't think he's going to make it for us. Not enough end product. Then we just need to buy a left back (Davies?), another centre back (Inacio? Diomande?) and another midfielder (Hjulmand? Wharton?) and we should be good to go for next season. And we are already getting £33m for Sancho in the summer, we should be able to recoup most of our money for Zirzkee, maybe get something for Antony and/or Amad etc. will he be good enough in the PL? Brighton never played him but loaned him out where he ended up at Coventry city and they sold him last year for around 20 million euros. No premier league club seemed to be in for him so I’m not sure about paying his release clause of 85 million. He could be a late bloomer or another Antony. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Nov 3, 2024 20:45:05 GMT
Zirzkee is a bit of a headscratcher. Too slow to play out wide. Not a natural goal scorer. And we already have Bruno and Mount capable of playing as a number 10 and no one plays with two upfront anymore. Primary attraction seems to have been that he was cheap at £30m or so. But we should be able to recoup most of our outlay. Hojlund is unfairly criticized. The service he gets is absolutely shit. Last seen even with shit service he still managed 15 goals and his goal conversion rate was up there with some of the best strikers in the league. Consistency is obviously an issue and injuries haven't helped with that. But we do obviously need another striker and we could do a lot worse than Gyokeres. He has a £83m release clause in January but some sources say it might be lower in the summer. We could also do with a proper right winger. Garnacho and Rashford can fight it out on the left wing. I like Amad but I don't think he's going to make it for us. Not enough end product. Then we just need to buy a left back (Davies?), another centre back (Inacio? Diomande?) and another midfielder (Hjulmand? Wharton?) and we should be good to go for next season. And we are already getting £33m for Sancho in the summer, we should be able to recoup most of our money for Zirzkee, maybe get something for Antony and/or Amad etc. will he be good enough in the PL? Brighton never played him but loaned him out where he ended up at Coventry city and they sold him last year for around 20 million euros. No premier league club seemed to be in for him so I’m not sure about paying his release clause of 85 million. He could be a late bloomer or another Antony. not willing to risk another 85 mil on the possibility of another Antony. |
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Post by Stretty on Nov 3, 2024 21:11:46 GMT
will he be good enough in the PL? Brighton never played him but loaned him out where he ended up at Coventry city and they sold him last year for around 20 million euros. No premier league club seemed to be in for him so I’m not sure about paying his release clause of 85 million. He could be a late bloomer or another Antony. not willing to risk another 85 mil on the possibility of another Antony. Antony would probably do ok for sporting or another club in that league so maybe some sort of trade but we’d still ending up paying most of his wages. I think Ruben will learn the quality of the PL and there being no easy games very quickly so he should be able to judge if some of his ex players will cut it here. |
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Post by viking22 on Nov 3, 2024 21:41:35 GMT
I don't think we'd have to pay as much as £83m. I've heard that there is a side agreement that he'd probably be allowed to leave for around £50-£60m. That would still allow Sporting to book a significant profit as the got him for only about £20m and
He's got the physical attributes needed to thrive in the Premier League and under Amorim he developed into a prolific goal scorer which is exactly what we need. And I respect the fact that he didn't have an easy route to the top of the game. You look at someone like Rashford and how he's failed to make the most of his talent and potential and he's a similar age to Gyokores.
Even allowing for the lower level in Portugal he's scored 63 goals and provided 19 assists in 66 games for Sporting. Antony didn't even come close to those kind of stats for Ajax. At Ajax Antony was managing about a goal contribution (goal or assist) every other game for them and that output predictably dropped when he came to us. So even allowing for a significant drop in his output for us he'd still be head and shoulders above our existing forwards and he made the step up to the Portuguese league so no reason why he can't manage the same for us. Especially as he's obviously worked incredibly hard on his game to get to where he is today.
But as you said this is something that Amorim will be able to judge once he gets to grips with the league. But you'd imagine he'd soon realize that goals are the problem and bringing him someone he is confident can score goals is an easy fix.
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Post by unitedsotex on Nov 4, 2024 2:17:40 GMT
not willing to risk another 85 mil on the possibility of another Antony. Antony would probably do ok for sporting or another club in that league so maybe some sort of trade but we’d still ending up paying most of his wages. I think Ruben will learn the quality of the PL and there being no easy games very quickly so he should be able to judge if some of his ex players will cut it here. Maybe we get lucky and Amorim can get something out of him or play him at left back...not getting my hopes up though |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 4, 2024 5:46:39 GMT
Its not rocket science. We need a proper goal scorer , what is going on with Osimhen nowadays ,surely we can convince him to join us next season ?
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 4, 2024 6:12:25 GMT
That forward lineup is simply not good enough , no matter how we look.
Hojlund and Garnacho have the potential but they are not ready to be regular starters in any team which expects to compete for the PL and CL.
Rashford and Bruno are the senior players expected to step up and score goals but they are not good/consistent enough.
Amad, Zirkzee , Antony not good enough , Mount cant stay fit , Eriksen has his quality with the ball , but like Casemiro his best days are in the past.
Also not sure how Amorim plans to play , but all our CBs lacks the genuine pace to recover from mistakes if we play a high line.
ETH may be gone but the mess he assembled is still here.
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Post by safariRed on Nov 4, 2024 7:00:42 GMT
Over 1/4 way through the season and we've not managed double figures in goals. Woeful stuff. 7 points off the drop aswell. We desperately need to sort this goalscoring out in Jan somehow because we're not getting it with this lot. Too busy trying to go for glory themselves. Bruno pelting that chance at the end sending it miles over probsbly pissed me off more than anything in that game and perfectly sums up why we are where we are. That Bruno miss is unforgivable, he had all the time in the world to put that ball down and pick a spot. Amorim will probably favour him but I've seen enough of him. |
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Post by safariRed on Nov 4, 2024 7:03:41 GMT
Hojlund should learn that he doesn’t have to play on the CBs shoulder and should move laterally to make space for himself to get space through the middle. The midfield should learn to give him service in the same way, not back to goal or in the air. If he doesn’t want to play on the shoulder of the CB he should learn that Haaland body check and make space for himself more. He’s dangerous if he gets the ball out from under him and in stride, but he usually doesn’t get that far. Hopefully this is where Ruben earns his corn and gets some major improvements in our players. Can these players be improved? |
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Post by kingkobbie on Nov 4, 2024 7:46:16 GMT
The entire front 4 is not good enough.
Maybe Rasmus and garnacho will be good enough eventually, but they cannot be relied upon for goals. There are no goals in this team.
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