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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 25, 2024 10:13:12 GMT
I was at the pub for this one, so watched it with a different lens, but nothing really felt different? (Not that I was expecting any day one miracles.)
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Post by redcase on Nov 25, 2024 10:42:16 GMT
I was at the pub for this one, so watched it with a different lens, but nothing really felt different? (Not that I was expecting any day one miracles.) Your question is asked and answered by yourself.  |
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Post by Kojak on Nov 25, 2024 11:14:11 GMT
I was at the pub for this one, so watched it with a different lens, but nothing really felt different? (Not that I was expecting any day one miracles.) Yeah I would agree. Outside of the formation, it was the kind of performance we’ve been seeing this season. However looking at the personnel, that’s unsurprising really. I also think it was a trickier game than given credit for. Certainly coming into the job with a new system makeshift back three/five, on the back of an international break. |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 25, 2024 11:56:58 GMT
Expect Ugarte and Mainoo to bring quality into the midfield. Case and Eriksen can't be starting in this system together.
Mazraoiui IMO has shown so much intelligence, he has to start as the RWB and Amad moved further forward to replace Garnacho.
Bruno will need to fix up or I can see Mount starting ahead of him. On the left side, Amass needs a chance, will offer more than Dalot.
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Post by redcase on Nov 25, 2024 12:42:26 GMT
The squad that we have is absolutely not lined up to play the managers preferred formation.
Some players will have to find new clubs.
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Post by seanie on Nov 25, 2024 12:42:47 GMT
It's going to be painful and frustrating and that's how it should be finally, to at least try and build something. That's the best thing to hear from Amorim. He has the backing and the confidence in himself to find out and this year is a gimme and next year will be another step.
Every other manager has abandoned their way, to win a cup or get top 4. It's not their fault really because there was never really any authority or clarity above them. ETH always seemed in two minds about how to play, but let's be fair he had chaos above him and was on a short leash always. They all had that get top 4/win a cup hanging over them, so why would they break it to fix it when that takes time and a year or two of under performance in league position etc.
Amorim is smart in that way, he knows it will take a big change of culture and it will take time and probably 2 windows, but he probably found out yesterday and the week what an exhausting fucking circus it all is. That Ginger Twat moment really sums it all up and Rubens expression and exasperation.
He also knows how clueless those forwards are and he knows he now knows he doesn't have a striker good enough to compete or carry wins. I don't believe these coaches have the time at this level to teach that. It's just asking for miracles, if you literally have the most over valued overrated clueless forwards in the league it's going to be very difficult no matter what you do.
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 25, 2024 13:04:49 GMT
Expect Ugarte and Mainoo to bring quality into the midfield. Case and Eriksen can't be starting in this system together. Mazraoiui IMO has shown so much intelligence, he has to start as the RWB and Amad moved further forward to replace Garnacho. Bruno will need to fix up or I can see Mount starting ahead of him. On the left side, Amass needs a chance, will offer more than Dalot. In this particular formation if that is what we will stick to now I really don't see a place long term for Bruno, that position will not do him any justice what so ever, unless you drop him back as part of the midfield two but he isn't disciplined enough to play that role imo. Rashford won't last we need an actual good cf who will score us goals and plenty of them. |
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Post by viking22 on Nov 25, 2024 13:09:34 GMT
Main thing for me is that the new manager has to stick to his guns. We cannot have another situation where like Erik he just says "Oh I can't play the way I did at Sporting because I don't have the same players" and starts to try to make compromises and adapt to the players.
The players have to adapt to him and what he wants. And if they can't then they should be moved on and fresh blood brough in to replace them. And there is going to be a learning curve.
It is great that INEOS insisted he joined now rather than the summer. The rest of this season may be quite painful. But by the end of it we will know exactly who we need to bring in this summer and the players that can adapt will have developed a good understanding of what is required of them and next season we can hit the ground running.
As people pointed out defensive solidarity is probably the low hanging fruit. Goals I think will continue to be a struggle. Garnacho is too wasteful and needs to improve decision making. Rashford inconsistent. Hojlund short on confidence.
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Post by johnboy14 on Nov 25, 2024 13:25:59 GMT
It's going to be painful and frustrating and that's how it should be finally, to at least try and build something. That's the best thing to hear from Amorim. He has the backing and the confidence in himself to find out and this year is a gimme and next year will be another step. Every other manager has abandoned their way, to win a cup or get top 4. It's not their fault really because there was never really any authority or clarity above them. ETH always seemed in two minds about how to play, but let's be fair he had chaos above him and was on a short leash always. They all had that get top 4/win a cup hanging over them, so why would they break it to fix it when that takes time and a year or two of under performance in league position etc. Amorim is smart in that way, he knows it will take a big change of culture and it will take time and probably 2 windows, but he probably found out yesterday and the week what an exhausting fucking circus it all is. That Ginger Twat moment really sums it all up and Rubens expression and exasperation. He also knows how clueless those forwards are and he knows he now knows he doesn't have a striker good enough to compete or carry wins. I don't believe these coaches have the time at this level to teach that. It's just asking for miracles, if you literally have the most over valued overrated clueless forwards in the league it's going to be very difficult no matter what you do. I'd be worried if he starts changing the whole system. The players are gonna have to adapt or be shipped out. That has to be the policy at this point. I think we were very lacklustre for most of the match. Ipswich are relegation fodder and we should have done more in front of goal for damn sure. |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 25, 2024 16:15:37 GMT
Expect Ugarte and Mainoo to bring quality into the midfield. Case and Eriksen can't be starting in this system together. Mazraoiui IMO has shown so much intelligence, he has to start as the RWB and Amad moved further forward to replace Garnacho. Bruno will need to fix up or I can see Mount starting ahead of him. On the left side, Amass needs a chance, will offer more than Dalot. In this particular formation if that is what we will stick to now I really don't see a place long term for Bruno, that position will not do him any justice what so ever, unless you drop him back as part of the midfield two but he isn't disciplined enough to play that role imo. Rashford won't last we need an actual good cf who will score us goals and plenty of them. With Bruno, he is captain, has a new deal etc, they will try everything to make it work however, i think that will be until the end of the season, if he doesn't adapt....... Bruno is a very good player, I think he will adapt. Please under no circumstances should he drop into the midfield pivot, he will lose the ball to no end. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 25, 2024 18:04:30 GMT
In this particular formation if that is what we will stick to now I really don't see a place long term for Bruno, that position will not do him any justice what so ever, unless you drop him back as part of the midfield two but he isn't disciplined enough to play that role imo. Rashford won't last we need an actual good cf who will score us goals and plenty of them. With Bruno, he is captain, has a new deal etc, they will try everything to make it work however, i think that will be until the end of the season, if he doesn't adapt....... Bruno is a very good player, I think he will adapt. Please under no circumstances should he drop into the midfield pivot, he will lose the ball to no end. Oh yeah no doubt he could adapt, well to a certain degree against certain opposition too, but if just going of yesterday the way we set up id much rather amad was playing on the right attack rather then rwb over Bruno as that's his natural position, I wouldn't play him on the left either but garnacho needs to step up, so that leaves the two cm positions and he can't play in that role, and that leaves then the CF which potentially we could see him play through the middle the odd game but again it's not his strongest position, I honestly think with how Ruben wants us to set up and unless he changes formation he could well be a major casualty from the squad. |
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Post by dazjoe on Nov 25, 2024 18:49:34 GMT
Just my own thoughts but I'm not sure where this idea that the players aren't suited to the system has come from?
Based on what I've read and saw about Amorim's formation and expectation around each player, he wants:
A GK who is very comfortable in possession, who plays as a sweeper, coming out to join the defence when one of the CB's moves into midfield. Well, that's literally describing Onana right there.
2 wide CB's who can cover the channels. Martinez and Shaw seem perfect for the LCB and Yoro a good fit for the RCB.
A central CB good on the ball who is happy to move out of defence into midfield. De Ligt looks ideal for that. We also know Maguire is better suited to a back 3 than 4.
In midfield he wants an energetic, defensive player to tackle and win the ball; he used Ugarte for this at Sporting. Well, guess what....
And next to him an 8 who is box to box, can beat the press, move upfield with the ball and beat players but also pass it accurately and quickly forward too. Again, that sounds ideal for Mainoo.
From his pair of 10's he prefers a natural number 10, a central playmaker. So that's Bruno with Mount in reserve. And the other is a wide player who likes to come inside, dribble and run at the defence. I mean, that's literally all of our wide forwards.
Striker is a big, strong, target man who works hard and uses his strength against the CB's. There's work need but Hojlund again looks tailor made.
The WB's are a concern but the spine of the team, to me, is perfect for Amorim.
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Post by Stew on Nov 25, 2024 20:21:56 GMT
Bruno is off again, is he?
Lads, Jesus…
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Post by viking22 on Nov 25, 2024 20:31:34 GMT
What is very interesting is that Amorim seems happy to discuss individual performances in a way that Erik wasn't. I think Erik let players hide behind him and as a result were able to escape accountability.
I can understand the desire to protect the players but they need to start doing their jobs and following instructions otherwise it is never going to work.
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Post by Paul on Nov 25, 2024 23:42:31 GMT
There are some players here that are good enough and will need time to adapt to new roles. There are also players here that won't adapt, partially because they're not good enough, but mostly because they have the wrong mentality.
I really do hope no matter what that he sticks with his methods and plan and doesn't change it because the players aren't up to the task. Players need to realise once and for all either fit in and commit or simply fuck off.
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