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Post by moxdevil on Jul 3, 2006 20:29:17 GMT
Therefore Ronaldo should not have asked for one to be shown Ronaldo never went to get him sent off, had he Wayne would have been more than disappointed. Ronaldo just ran over angry at what he saw at the time was a violent challenge on his team mate. What did he do then? ask the referee whether he liked the stadium? the local food? to ask for a stretcher for his team mate? Why does somebody approach the referee in such circumstances when it clearly didn't involve them? I thought the push showed how disappointed he was. Ronaldo made no move to his team mate but to the referee, i guess he wasn't too bothered about Carvalho, but he was bothered about what the referee was going to do. Rooney was looking to avoid getting a red card. What are you looking for? Rooney to headbutt Ronaldo to show how disappointed he was with him? ;D The strength of the 'Ronaldo did nothing' claim rests on the notion that he said nothing to the referee to get Rooney sent off. More than one lip reader has come forward on the radio, and in the newspapers to say that Ronaldo did indeed say 'red card' to the referee. It's as though people are trying their best to pardon Ronaldo's behaviour. On Rant they are resorting to stressing that he didn't start waving an imaginary card about, as though only by doing that you have descended to cheating and un-sportsman -like behaviour. As Ronaldo himself has said "The referee had an eye out for violent conduct." of which Ronaldo was only too keen to point out to him if he hadn't realised. |
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Post by tom on Jul 3, 2006 20:37:44 GMT
Get your story right, the keeper said that not ronaldo
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Post by moxdevil on Jul 3, 2006 20:40:16 GMT
Get your story right, the keeper said that not ronaldo Forgive me. Should read then "As Ricardo said "The referee had an eye out for violent conduct." of which Ronaldo was only too keen to point out to him if he hadn't realised." |
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Post by Busby Boy on Jul 3, 2006 21:25:37 GMT
OK, Mox. Think of this turn of events.
- Ronaldo accidentally steps/stamps on John Terry's balls.
- Rooney goes running over as Ronaldo did
- Ronaldo pushes him
- Ronaldo is then sent off
What would you think of Rooney?...
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Post by moxdevil on Jul 3, 2006 21:33:39 GMT
OK, Mox. Think of this turn of events. - Ronaldo accidentally steps/stamps on John Terry's balls. - Rooney goes running over as Ronaldo did - Ronaldo pushes him - Ronaldo is then sent off What would you think of Rooney?... That he cheated. Clear and simple. Players are ruining the game because they are cheating and being allowed to get away with it because of a failure to acknowledge when they are doing it and punishing them. I'm not going to start defending United players or England players- last thing i want is for them to be responsible for the game descending into a do-anything attitude to get a win. |
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Post by chiff on Jul 3, 2006 22:15:27 GMT
Something must be going wrong - there's signs of peace breaking out at OT. True it has scarcely touched the press yet but it's optimistic that we might possibly have BOTH our star youngsters. Nobody else mind you but at least it's a start. And with Ruud unable to find a new club, we might even have a choice of strikers.
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Post by chiff on Jul 3, 2006 22:37:40 GMT
OK, Mox. Think of this turn of events. - Ronaldo accidentally steps/stamps on John Terry's balls. - Rooney goes running over as Ronaldo did - Ronaldo pushes him - Ronaldo is then sent off What would you think of Rooney?... That he cheated. Clear and simple. Players are ruining the game because they are cheating and being allowed to get away with it because of a failure to acknowledge when they are doing it and punishing them. I'm not going to start defending United players or England players- last thing i want is for them to be responsible for the game descending into a do-anything attitude to get a win. That's very noble and undoubtedly correct but totally untypical of certainly every Latin Country or player. Italians and South Americans have been collapsing like Oscar-winning jellies for as long as I remember. So take the argument back to the Prem. What's your opinion of a battle between Terry and Ruud. We all know that Ruud is the best player in Europe at backing in. Condone it? And Terry tackles with his arms out like JC at a crucifixion and the penalty count against him for that is ............... not a lot. We have good days for decisions and bad days. Remember us virtually winning the Prem when we scored two headers in about the105th minute. The main problem is that the game is no longer played at a pace and intent that it is manageable. The Refs generally are too easily influenced so players try to influence them. I don't condone what Ronny did but he's run 50 yards to mouth off at OT because that's what he does. And he's not alone. We had a lot of players who ran to the ref - not as bad as Arsenal or the Scousers but we're not bad at it Players cheat. Fact. Some more than others it's true. So change the penalties for cheating. Auto red card and a six match ban - AND the manager gets a half million pound fine. Execute Pires and Drogba. And throw in a few more with last chances. And leave the ref out of it. Have a TV panel so we have something to look forward to on Monday. But if you don't hit 'em with the law, they're ALL gonna have a try and It'll work with prats like Poll and the ref on Saturday!! |
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Post by moxdevil on Jul 3, 2006 22:47:38 GMT
Let me clarify my position, i am not blaming England's defeat on Ronaldo, therefore i am not scapegoating Ronaldo, i am simply acknowledging that what he did was cheating and un-sportsmanlike. Something most everybody else is trying their best not to. It's not for the fans to make the two players look whiter than white, leave that to the club and their diplomacy. But if you are refusing to acknowledge that what Ronaldo did was an act of cheating as far as i am concerned you cannot moan about anybody cheating, otherwise you are nothing but a hypocrite and an apologist for cheating in the game.
Wrap it up in ‘best for his country’ lingo if you want but that is simply apologising for the cheating.
England or United win with or without the aid of cheating, i'd be happy we won, but i'd acknowledge the cheat if it occurred.
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Post by Busby Boy on Jul 3, 2006 23:27:45 GMT
But he didn't cheat!...he ran towards where he thought his players was violently trodden on. Was he to know Rooney lost his footing?..after all you say he was 20 yards from the incident?...
Any England player would have done the same thing and we wouldn't be having this conversation now, correct?...It's because England are out of the World Cup the media and everything will build it up and use it as an excuse.
(Mox, this isn't aimed at you - in general, mate)
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Post by englebert on Jul 4, 2006 0:25:20 GMT
All I can say is that most true United supporters who I have spoken to would like to see the back of Ronaldo.....a disgrace.
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Post by englebert on Jul 4, 2006 0:30:17 GMT
But he didn't cheat!...he ran towards where he thought his players was violently trodden on. Was he to know Rooney lost his footing?..after all you say he was 20 yards from the incident?... Any England player would have done the same thing and we wouldn't be having this conversation now, correct?...It's because England are out of the World Cup the media and everything will build it up and use it as an excuse. (Mox, this isn't aimed at you - in general, mate) Why are you apologising for a man utd player helping to get another Man utd player sent off....Did Rooney foul Ronaldo? Last time I saw it Ronaldo was 4o yards away drom the original foul(on Rooney I may add)...yet still wanted to get his Man Utd team mate in trouble....makes me sick to even think about how Wayne Rooney must feel.....Ronaldo...fuck off....you cheating bastard..... |
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Post by Scott on Jul 4, 2006 1:30:43 GMT
He's not appologising for a United player getting another one sent off. Ronaldo wasnt the referee that day. He was one of five Portugese players talking to the ref. Why on earth do you think it was him who got Rooney sent off?
Talking to the referee isnt cheating. I dont particularly like Ronaldo if I'm honest, he's always annoyed me... but I dont think he did anything out of order here. I think Rooney would have done exactly the same thing in this situation if the roles were reversed.
If you dont think players should talk to the ref, then fair do's. But ALL teams do. If United feel they've been hard done by, they crowd the ref too. I see NO reason why Ronaldo, whilst playing for Portugal should show any kindof loyalty to Rooney playing for England. Just like I wouldnt expect Rooney to do so. Heinze, a couple of weeks before the tournament, said that if Argentina and England met, he'd do everything he could to stop Rooney... including kicking him if he had to. And? I dont have an issue with that either. You play for the shirt you're wearing... and there'd be outcry if any England players treated their team mates anymore kindly. Can you imagine if Carvalho stood on Rooneys balls, and whilst players protested, Joe Cole, Lampard and Terry made sure they kept away? I'd be pissed with them.
If Wayne can forgive him, and say there is no ill feeling... then why are there a load of United fans running around still hating Ronaldo for it? Think it's time everyone just got over it if I'm honest.
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Post by danishred on Jul 4, 2006 4:54:36 GMT
carvalho is a chavs wanker anyway
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Post by rewdie on Jul 4, 2006 13:16:02 GMT
But he didn't cheat!...he ran towards where he thought his players was violently trodden on. Was he to know Rooney lost his footing?..after all you say he was 20 yards from the incident?... Any England player would have done the same thing and we wouldn't be having this conversation now, correct?...It's because England are out of the World Cup the media and everything will build it up and use it as an excuse. (Mox, this isn't aimed at you - in general, mate) Totally agree with you mate, FFS people, Ronaldo wasnt the only player there and he was appealing to the ref for a stamp on a team mate, beckham, gerrard, lamps and rooney would have all been round the ref if ronny had stamped on rooney, It isnt cheating and isnt unsportsman like, he was appealing to the ref for a foul incident which EVERY player would do in that position, he doesnt have the power to hand out a red and he cant sympathise with rooney for being a united player, imagine if it had happened the other way round and rooney ahdnt done anything just shook hands with ronaldo, then portugal won....you would be havinga go at rooney for not calling the foul |
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Post by onenedkelly on Jul 4, 2006 13:25:36 GMT
If it wasn't Ronaldo for instance and it was another player say Maniche or Simao then where would the English media vent their fury? Would it be aimed soley at Rooney as in the Becks incident in 98? Just something to ponder, The Media know the love affair the nation has with Rooney therefore to berate him would not sell their papers. There's only ONE Ronaldo #unitedbanner# Rooney - It's not where ya from but where ya at #unitedbanner# But he didn't cheat!...he ran towards where he thought his players was violently trodden on. Was he to know Rooney lost his footing?..after all you say he was 20 yards from the incident?... Any England player would have done the same thing and we wouldn't be having this conversation now, correct?...It's because England are out of the World Cup the media and everything will build it up and use it as an excuse. (Mox, this isn't aimed at you - in general, mate) Totally agree with you mate, FFS people, Ronaldo wasnt the only player there and he was appealing to the ref for a stamp on a team mate, beckham, gerrard, lamps and rooney would have all been round the ref if ronny had stamped on rooney, It isnt cheating and isnt unsportsman like, he was appealing to the ref for a foul incident which EVERY player would do in that position, he doesnt have the power to hand out a red and he cant sympathise with rooney for being a united player, imagine if it had happened the other way round and rooney ahdnt done anything just shook hands with ronaldo, then portugal won....you would be havinga go at rooney for not calling the foul |
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