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Post by Stew on Apr 28, 2020 21:10:53 GMT
They can’t. The relegated clubs would sue the league for hundreds of millions. . If there is just cause to cancel it (as there is) then I fail to see there being a good enough defence. Don't get me wrong I feel for a lot of them as some may never recover from this but this season restarts and there's a 2nd wave then fingers will be pointed as to why it continued. Then you're looking at corporate manslaughter charges if a player catches it and dies from it. Was an interview earlier from Talksport which I agree with 100%. The whole thing is a catch 22. Dammed if you don't, dammed if you do. I don’t understand. You can’t see how they’ve have a case? You can’t say the league is now finished and relegate 3 clubs, 2 of which have a realistic opportunity to stay up. Until something is mathematically sealed then you can’t call it off and say tough. That’s why the French and Dutch leagues have just been cancelled. Only stubbornness will keep the premier league from doing the same. Spain and Germany will follow soon. If they stop the league now and say the positions stay as they are, the legal ramifications will last months and the clubs will win. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 22:33:07 GMT
Cant see how the clubs would have a case 2bh. If there is just cause to cancel it (as there is) then I fail to see there being a good enough defence. Don't get me wrong I feel for a lot of them as some may never recover from this but this season restarts and there's a 2nd wave then fingers will be pointed as to why it continued. Then you're looking at corporate manslaughter charges if a player catches it and dies from it. Was an interview earlier from Talksport which I agree with 100%. The whole thing is a catch 22. Dammed if you don't, dammed if you do. I don’t understand. You can’t see how they’ve have a case? You can’t say the league is now finished and relegate 3 clubs, 2 of which have a realistic opportunity to stay up. Until something is mathematically sealed then you can’t call it off and say tough. That’s why the French and Dutch leagues have just been cancelled. Only stubbornness will keep the premier league from doing the same. Spain and Germany will follow soon. If they stop the league now and say the positions stay as they are, the legal ramifications will last months and the clubs will win. Ah wires crossed somewhere. I meant if things stood as they were, no promotion/relegation. Obviously if this does happen then clubs will have a case to fight. If the season doesn't finish then I can't see how any type of promotion or relegation can happen. Wouldn't just unfair but would be unethical. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 22:39:39 GMT
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Post by dazjoe on Apr 28, 2020 23:40:55 GMT
Cant see how the clubs would have a case 2bh. If there is just cause to cancel it (as there is) then I fail to see there being a good enough defence. Don't get me wrong I feel for a lot of them as some may never recover from this but this season restarts and there's a 2nd wave then fingers will be pointed as to why it continued. Then you're looking at corporate manslaughter charges if a player catches it and dies from it. Was an interview earlier from Talksport which I agree with 100%. The whole thing is a catch 22. Dammed if you don't, dammed if you do. I don’t understand. You can’t see how they’ve have a case? You can’t say the league is now finished and relegate 3 clubs, 2 of which have a realistic opportunity to stay up. Until something is mathematically sealed then you can’t call it off and say tough. That’s why the French and Dutch leagues have just been cancelled. Only stubbornness will keep the premier league from doing the same. Spain and Germany will follow soon. If they stop the league now and say the positions stay as they are, the legal ramifications will last months and the clubs will win. The whole thing is a legal minefield now, I don't envy anyone who is involved in the decision making for this. If they restart the games and someone gets infected, what then? Imagine the lawsuits that could come out if it's proven it happened during a game and potentially infected others, all to play a stupid game of football (in the big picture, some blokes kicking a ball about is hardly essential). Can players refuse to play games? What if teams are told the season is restarting and players simply down tools and say it's too high a risk to their and their loved ones health. What if a team or teams simply cannot find enough players willing to play to actualy complete their fixtures? If we just void the season, any club that misses out on a promotion or Europe will look for legal avenues. A club the size of United aren't going to simply accept they don't have Champions League football next season and will miss out on 50/60 million as a result. Leeds etc will look to sue for huge sums with them missing out on promotion. Players who have pay increases for promotion and Champions League qualification will do the same, players could be looking at losing hundreds of thousands of pounds that would/could have been theirs as of July 1st. And what of bonuses in players contracts, score 20 goals and you get X amount. If they had scored those goals, but they are now voided games so don't actually count? If they had scored 19, so just needed one more goal in the remaining games, but now the opportunity has gone. If we just end the season now, same deal. Any club being relegated or missing out on a promotion or Europe is going to sue, without question. It's an absolute nightmare. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 29, 2020 8:14:36 GMT
Why should I have to stand in a queue 2 metres apart from everyone in a supermarket, then have to disinfect my trolley, follow a one way system and use contactless payment to a cashier behind a protective screen ?
Meanwhile there’s a football game scheduled with no social distancing going on where close contact is unavoidable. Not just one game but multiple games all around the country. Week after week.
What kind of logic deems that acceptable?
Tell me why I shouldn’t just breeze into a supermarket and say bollocks to those new rules.
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Post by king nothing on Apr 29, 2020 9:14:20 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 10:23:40 GMT
Cant see how the clubs would have a case 2bh. If there is just cause to cancel it (as there is) then I fail to see there being a good enough defence. Don't get me wrong I feel for a lot of them as some may never recover from this but this season restarts and there's a 2nd wave then fingers will be pointed as to why it continued. Then you're looking at corporate manslaughter charges if a player catches it and dies from it. Was an interview earlier from Talksport which I agree with 100%. The whole thing is a catch 22. Dammed if you don't, dammed if you do. He means that if liverpool get the trophy given to them , I think. Because in that situation they'll have to relegate clubs as well. Which is illegal because it isn't mathematically confirmed. That's the litigation he's taking about. Aren't you? Bit of confusion as to what he meant. Corrected now. If its cancelled nothing should be awarded, titles, promotion, relegation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 10:26:06 GMT
Why should I have to stand in a queue 2 metres apart from everyone in a supermarket, then have to disinfect my trolley, follow a one way system and use contactless payment to a cashier behind a protective screen ? Meanwhile there’s a football game scheduled with no social distancing going on where close contact is unavoidable. Not just one game but multiple games all around the country. Week after week. What kind of logic deems that acceptable? Tell me why I shouldn’t just breeze into a supermarket and say bollocks to those new rules. Money. Thats what its all about. Oh and the FA ensuring the vermin win the title. They restart and a player or staff member contracts the virus then everything halts again. It simply isn't worth it. They're risking a 2nd wave by ending this lockdown too early, same applies with restarting the season. |
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Post by Stew on Apr 29, 2020 11:31:36 GMT
Bestie, you work in law, right? Surely the ramifications of this is huge. Every staff member and player of every team will have to be tested. Can they force player to sign something that will prevent them from suing in the event of catching it while playing? Say a family member catches it and dies?
The fact the Scousers are bricking it tells you plenty.
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Post by mightyez on Apr 29, 2020 11:36:50 GMT
Bestie, you work in law, right? Surely the ramifications of this is huge. Every staff member and player of every team will have to be tested. Can they force player to sign something that will prevent them from suing in the event of catching it while playing? Say a family member catches it and dies? The fact the Scousers are bricking it tells you plenty. simon Jordan was saying the legal ramifications if a family member gets it would be huge. Reality is rather than football see this as an opportunity to tidy up their finances and get a grip on wages they want to risk lives (players, non playing staff, families). I like most want to see football back but not at any cost |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 12:01:27 GMT
Bestie, you work in law, right? Surely the ramifications of this is huge. Every staff member and player of every team will have to be tested. Can they force player to sign something that will prevent them from suing in the event of catching it while playing? Say a family member catches it and dies? The fact the Scousers are bricking it tells you plenty. simon Jordan was saying the legal ramifications if a family member gets it would be huge. Reality is rather than football see this as an opportunity to tidy up their finances and get a grip on wages they want to risk lives (players, non playing staff, families). I like most want to see football back but not at any cost Aye if its brought back too soon and somebody dies as a result then you have shit like corporate manslaughters added to the mix so its a risky move. I've given up on those cunts winning it, I want us back in the CL so it pains me to say but I want it restarted. But not forced. Players need to get match fitness back aswell or they risk injuring themselves. There is constant contact between players aswell so distancing measures are non existent. Which ever way you go there will he more losers than winners. Just hope there aren't too many casualties whereas clubs won't recover from it. Hopefully they get the help they need to come through it. |
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Post by Bestie on Apr 29, 2020 12:02:37 GMT
Bestie, you work in law, right? Surely the ramifications of this is huge. Every staff member and player of every team will have to be tested. Can they force player to sign something that will prevent them from suing in the event of catching it while playing? Say a family member catches it and dies? The fact the Scousers are bricking it tells you plenty. It's a clusterfuck. I'm of the view to cancel this season, probably forget about next season as well. Not just forcing players to play (they can't) but thinking about players who have contracts expiring in June. Advertisers/'sponsors', for both clubs and competitions. 80% of football is contracts. One thing though, I can pretty much guarantee you there is no clause stipulating any club has the right for the season to finish. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 29, 2020 12:06:40 GMT
Why should I have to stand in a queue 2 metres apart from everyone in a supermarket, then have to disinfect my trolley, follow a one way system and use contactless payment to a cashier behind a protective screen ? Meanwhile there’s a football game scheduled with no social distancing going on where close contact is unavoidable. Not just one game but multiple games all around the country. Week after week. What kind of logic deems that acceptable? Tell me why I shouldn’t just breeze into a supermarket and say bollocks to those new rules. Money. Thats what its all about. Oh and the FA ensuring the vermin win the title. They restart and a player or staff member contracts the virus then everything halts again. It simply isn't worth it. They're risking a 2nd wave by ending this lockdown too early, same applies with restarting the season. So then all the current standings have to stand then? From the top of the league down including the Championship and below. Surely relegating teams at this point would be a bigger injustice than the Scousers missing out? That’s if they use that to determine final standings. If they use a system using ‘average’ points based on performances over a season then that doesn’t take account of dips or good runs of form. We’d then be penalised despite our last 2 months. Taking away the wish to laugh at another Scouse so near so far moment , legally voiding the league would throw up less of a headache from a legal stance than a pick and mix approach. |
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Post by mightyez on Apr 29, 2020 12:10:28 GMT
simon Jordan was saying the legal ramifications if a family member gets it would be huge. Reality is rather than football see this as an opportunity to tidy up their finances and get a grip on wages they want to risk lives (players, non playing staff, families). I like most want to see football back but not at any cost Aye if its brought back too soon and somebody dies as a result then you have shit like corporate manslaughters added to the mix so its a risky move. I've given up on those cunts winning it, I want us back in the CL so it pains me to say but I want it restarted. But not forced. Players need to get match fitness back aswell or they risk injuring themselves. There is constant contact between players aswell so distancing measures are non existent. Which ever way you go there will he more losers than winners. Just hope there aren't too many casualties whereas clubs won't recover from it. Hopefully they get the help they need to come through it. I want it too, but the risk |
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Post by king nothing on Apr 29, 2020 12:27:04 GMT
Glenn Murray was talking on the transfer window pod, he was saying a teammate lives with his elderly parents who are at risk, so does he lose out etc. He didn't know what to do.
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