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Post by DedRevil on Mar 24, 2024 12:27:06 GMT
Mount should be given a shot on the left of the forwards, he aint gonna be better than Bruno in the middle, no matter how much people wanna believe it.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 25, 2024 6:11:44 GMT
Just on the Bruno topic, i do believe Mount should get a run in his place once he is fit. May or may not work out, but worth trying imo. Also its amazing how all these stats keep saying about his creativity and yet after almost every match we all complain how few chances we actually create. If you look hard enough there will be stats saying Gerrard or Lampard is better than Scholes, doesn't mean its true. So to be clear, what you’re saying is- ‘We all complain about how few chances we actually create’ Is a better metric to judge chances created than the statistical data available? Data collated by non-Utd supporting companies and organisations like who scored.com? Iam saying stats could be misleading. How many of his 'chance created' is just hoof balls from wide areas ? How many of it is because because all our creative plays are channelled through him whereas other teams share the load. He is really good in quick counter attack situation with runners in front of him , but when we need a more patient build up i just dont see the consistency required from him.
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Post by Stew on Mar 25, 2024 7:43:03 GMT
So to be clear, what you’re saying is- ‘We all complain about how few chances we actually create’ Is a better metric to judge chances created than the statistical data available? Data collated by non-Utd supporting companies and organisations like who scored.com? Iam saying stats could be misleading. How many of his 'chance created' is just hoof balls from wide areas ? How many of it is because because all our creative plays are channelled through him whereas other teams share the load. He is really good in quick counter attack situation with runners in front of him , but when we need a more patient build up i just dont see the consistency required from him. He’s 3rd in the Prem in Big chances created. They are chances where a player is expected to score. I very much doubt Mount is going to better that because there is very little in his career up to this point to suggest he will. Bruno has played 223 games for Utd. He has- 72 goals and 63 assists. Total 135 Mount has played 195 games for Chelsea. He has- 33 goals and 37 assists. Total 70. Bruno has played 28 games more but has almost double the goal involvements. I’m sure you’ll mention penalties re his goals but what’s the excuse for the huge discrepancy in assists? It’s not like Utd had vastly superior teams or strikers in his time here. The fact is, Bruno is simply a much better footballer than Mount and always has been. By any metric.
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Post by juanveron on Apr 27, 2024 11:39:04 GMT
I see Liverpool are going to replace Klopp with a different Dutch manager.
I will say something controversial given how poor this season has been - I bet that if ETH hadn’t signed for us and was still in charge of Ajax, Liverpool would’ve gone for him. I am also willing to bet he’d do a wonderful job there, because he’d arrive to a club with a proper structure.
At this point, I can’t see ETH succeeding here. It feels done and beyond the point of no return, but I think it would be foolish of us to ignore that he was considered a phenomenal coach before coming here.
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Post by Stretty on Apr 27, 2024 16:47:37 GMT
Let him have the cup final but sack him the day after no matter what the result.
Have a replacement lined up before hand obviously.
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Post by DedRevil on Apr 27, 2024 16:56:21 GMT
Let him have the cup final but sack him the day after no matter what the result. Have a replacement lined up before hand obviously. Why? I'd rather have a shot at winning it.
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Post by Stretty on Apr 27, 2024 17:08:07 GMT
Let him have the cup final but sack him the day after no matter what the result. Have a replacement lined up before hand obviously. Why? I'd rather have a shot at winning it. Fair point.
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Post by gdmm on Apr 27, 2024 17:27:46 GMT
Let him have the cup final but sack him the day after no matter what the result. Have a replacement lined up before hand obviously. Ed; is that you?
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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 28, 2024 6:17:48 GMT
Not sure what is left to prove, he has to go.
Next year, his third season we should have been challenging for CL and PL, instead we have this chaotic mess , manager constantly playing his favourites , absent midfield and near zero goal difference at season end.
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Post by Stretty on Apr 28, 2024 6:39:38 GMT
Have any of his signings actually improved the team over the 2 seasons he’s been manager?
As good as Martinez is he’s always injured.
Casemiro was good for one season.
Rasmus needs to play with better around him to give him service.
The rest of them are just Meh.
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Post by bushy1987 on Apr 28, 2024 7:22:46 GMT
Have any of his signings actually improved the team over the 2 seasons he’s been manager? As good as Martinez is he’s always injured. Casemiro was good for one season. Rasmus needs to play with better around him to give him service. The rest of them are just Meh. Have we actually made any signing since fergie left that has actually improved the team? I honestly don't know how pretty much every single player we buy, ends up turning out worse , the club as a whole is a graveyard for football.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 28, 2024 7:49:32 GMT
That's a fair assessment. Last season Martinez, Casemiro and (for half a season) Eriksen upgraded us. And along with Rashford's resurgence in form were responsible for getting us back into the top 4 and winning the Carabao Cup. We also had a goalkeeper who while past his prime was still a very good shot stopper.
This season we have gone backwards. Poor recruitment is clearly a factor. Onana has been a major downgrade on Dave. Mount is always injured but even if he wasn't he's not the right profile of midfielder we need. Amrabat can't get a game. Hojlund tries hard but we should have anticipated he'd struggle with the poor service just as Wout and Ronaldo did previously. And Erik's man management of Rashford has been very suspect with his policy of "supporting him" when what Rashford really needs is some tough love e.g. hairdryer treatment and getting dropped until he pulls his finger out. Injuries haven't helped either.
Even so you'd expect a top manager to be able to mitigate imbalances in the squad with good tactics and good gameplans and forge an "us against the world" mentality.
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Post by Kojak on Apr 28, 2024 8:51:37 GMT
Have any of his signings actually improved the team over the 2 seasons he’s been manager? As good as Martinez is he’s always injured. Casemiro was good for one season. Rasmus needs to play with better around him to give him service. The rest of them are just Meh. Have we actually made any signing since fergie left that has actually improved the team? I honestly don't know how pretty much every single player we buy, ends up turning out worse , the club as a whole is a graveyard for football. I’ve just pulled all the signings up. These are the arguable improvements. Juan Mata - You’d rather have had him than not, but he never hit the heights for us that he did for Chelsea. Loved the bloke, but certainly wasn’t exceptional during his time at United (not through any fault of his own). Luke Shaw - I would say he’s done enough to qualify as a good signing. But even then, poor injury record and took an absolute age to get going (partly due to management). Daley Blind - Decent player, good pro. Not really transforming your team though. Ander Herrera - See above. Sergio Romero - Cost nowt, best number 2 we’ve ever had. Definitely improved the squad. Zlatan Ibrahimovic - Definitely improved us that season, on the field and off. Nemanja Matic - Blind and Herrera bracket. Bruno Fernandes - Best signing on the list. Made a huge difference when we signed him and continues to do so. Raphael Varane - Good player, never fit. An arguable improvement purely based on the state of the other CB’s, however wouldn’t call it a good signing. Lisandro Martinez - Instant improvement when he came in. Injury problems, but critically plenty of years left in him once he gets himself sorted. Casemiro - Looked a good signing by the middle chunk of last season. Improved us for that period but has been an utter disgrace since. Christian Eriksen - Bit like Casemiro, but without the disgrace bit. He’s just over the hill. In mitigation, cost nowt. The amount of players we’ve signed in the last decade, for that to be the best of the bunch is outrageous. Also, half of that list was past their best when we bought them. Looking through the full list of signings, there’s so much utter dross I forgot about.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 28, 2024 10:34:16 GMT
Arguably Fellaini ended up being a useful squad player in the end as both LVG and Jose knew how to get the most out of his limited talents. He was particularly good in the Europa league final against Ajax when he helped to make it a men against boys contest
Ronaldo also gave us one very good season and without him we’d have finished bottom half of the premier league and not got out of the champions league group stages. He scored about 30 goals that season which is pretty good going when you consider how crap the rest of the team was that year.
Cavani also gave us one very good season helping us achieve 2nd place and get to the Europa league final. Lukaku also gave us one good season (should be clear what the pattern is by now)
But yeah the only players we’ve signed that have become important first team fixtures for more than a year or two are Shaw and Bruno. Not counting Varane and Martinez as while both are top quality injuries have meant they haven’t been constants in the first team.
Herrera and Mata I agree were good for us but were never star players
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Post by Stretty on Apr 28, 2024 11:06:02 GMT
I’ve nothing personal against ETH and I admit I wanted him when he was linked with us because I thought we were(for once)ahead of the curve by bagging an up and coming highly rated coach.
But at the end of the day it’s just not worked out for him here and we need start acting like a big club and cut him loose.
Most of the top managers move from club to club over their careers and they can be shit at one club but brilliant at another for all sorts of different reasons.
Big clubs hire and fire managers all the time.
Ten Hag may have success at another club in the future and I will wish him well(as long as he takes most of his signings with him).
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