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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Apr 28, 2024 11:26:12 GMT
This is an absolutely massive job and extremely difficult. As well as needing the tactical acumen you actually need the personality too. Unfortunately he’s just fallen massively short on both counts this season after some relative promise last year.
It’s just been alarming how poor we and he have been. I genuinely think this is the worst a United side has played since Fergie and I include the Moyes debacle in that. We play with no style going forward, can’t control a game at home against bottom-dwellers and are atrocious at the back. It’s only sone high class personnel on the pitch that has stopped us from being in the bottom half of the table, as we certainly play football bad enough to be there.
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Post by Stretty on Apr 28, 2024 11:34:35 GMT
This is an absolutely massive job and extremely difficult. As well as needing the tactical acumen you actually need the personality too. Unfortunately he’s just fallen massively short on both counts this season after some relative promise last year. It’s just been alarming how poor we and he have been. I genuinely think this is the worst a United side has played since Fergie and I include the Moyes debacle in that. We play with no style going forward, can’t control a game at home against bottom-dwellers and are atrocious at the back. It’s only sone high class personnel on the pitch that has stopped us from being in the bottom half of the table, as we certainly play football bad enough to be there. We were poor on the preseason tour and stated in the league just as bad. Wolves should have scored 6 goals on the first game of the season and so should Coventry last week. After the CL debacle most clubs would have sacked him before Christmas last year.
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Post by Karma on Apr 28, 2024 13:51:43 GMT
The next manager may be the one before the one. A transitional type. Longevity comes with success, not the other way round.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 29, 2024 9:00:58 GMT
"We are one of the most dynamic and entertaining teams in the league at this moment. We are creating loads of chances by playing good football."
He has lost it.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 29, 2024 9:30:13 GMT
For me Erik is the 2nd worst manager we've had. Only Moyes was worse. Yes he won a trophy in his first season and finished top 4. But that was mostly because he got the last puff out of Casemiro and Rashford had a purple patch. This season is worse than any I can remember and that includes the seasons where the players plainly downed tools
A new structure will only work if we have a manager who is willing to admit that things aren't working in terms of personnel and playing style and is able to work effectively with Ashworth/Wilcox to implement a long term recruitment policy and playing style that gives the club continuity so that even if we change managers a few more times we can make long term progress rather than just bouncing in and out of top 4 despite spending hundreds of millions every season the way we have done for the last decade under Glazers.
Erik cannot be part of the solution because he has become part of the problem. His recruitment is dreadful and even with the new structure in place he will want to have his say in who we sign and there is no use signing someone if the manager doesn't want that player and won't select him. There is no discernible style of football and his tactics leave us wide open and we remain overly reliant on individuals improvising and making things happen. That may help us occasionally scrape wins against weak opposition but it won't get us top 4 and it won't win us anything (as we will find out against City in a few weeks time).
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Post by mightyez on Apr 29, 2024 9:33:25 GMT
Don’t understand what is going on with ETH. Has he been told to tone it down since the Sancho saga?
I don’t understand how he can see what we all see and make the statements he makes!
I actually still want the guy to succeed, reasons being, a lot of players aren’t good enough, the medical staff seem to be below par and the support above only really kicked in somewhat in February. If he had structure which includes buying the right players, better medical team, could he be successful?
Also the options available don’t really seem that appealing but maybe that’s because one is looking for a recognised name rather than simply the right person for the job
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Post by safariRed on Apr 29, 2024 10:02:53 GMT
Im curious ..How many people on this forum truly believe that ETH is holding THIS squad back and that another manager would be able to get more from this batch beyond the new manager bounce?
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Post by redcase on Apr 29, 2024 10:04:16 GMT
Don’t understand what is going on with ETH. Has he been told to tone it down since the Sancho saga? I don’t understand how he can see what we all see and make the statements he makes! I actually still want the guy to succeed, reasons being, a lot of players aren’t good enough, the medical staff seem to be below par and the support above only really kicked in somewhat in February. If he had structure which includes buying the right players, better medical team, could he be successful? Also the options available don’t really seem that appealing but maybe that’s because one is looking for a recognised name rather than simply the right person for the job He won’t succeed here. He’s deluded himself into thinking he’s already doing well here. Now he’s trying to con the fans. The cunt. He also won’t succeed here because he’s abandoned the principles which made him successful at Ajax. I like ten Hag because he played intricate passing football at Ajax. I don’t know what the fuck has happened since then because he’s decided to try something different which is obviously not working for him, and he refused to budge.
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Post by mightyez on Apr 29, 2024 10:27:05 GMT
Don’t understand what is going on with ETH. Has he been told to tone it down since the Sancho saga? I don’t understand how he can see what we all see and make the statements he makes! I actually still want the guy to succeed, reasons being, a lot of players aren’t good enough, the medical staff seem to be below par and the support above only really kicked in somewhat in February. If he had structure which includes buying the right players, better medical team, could he be successful? Also the options available don’t really seem that appealing but maybe that’s because one is looking for a recognised name rather than simply the right person for the job He won’t succeed here. He’s deluded himself into thinking he’s already doing well here. Now he’s trying to con the fans. The cunt. He also won’t succeed here because he’s abandoned the principles which made him successful at Ajax. I like ten Hag because he played intricate passing football at Ajax. I don’t know what the fuck has happened since then because he’s decided to try something different which is obviously not working for him, and he refused to budge. Yeah you are right the abandonment of principles is actually a big issue. But the flip side is that he is being partially true to his principle because that Ajax interview with Guillit was questioning why the midfield is so open, we have the same problems but don’t have the intricate passing Ajax did. Whichever way what we all see is certainly not good enough and an improvement is needed by him or someone else
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Post by mightyez on Apr 29, 2024 10:27:54 GMT
Im curious ..How many people on this forum truly believe that ETH is holding THIS squad back and that another manager would be able to get more from this batch beyond the new manager bounce? Depends on whether we can have a fantasy manager option.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 29, 2024 10:33:38 GMT
Im curious ..How many people on this forum truly believe that ETH is holding THIS squad back and that another manager would be able to get more from this batch beyond the new manager bounce? Manager AND the squad ,both are part of problem. Our inability to control games , number of shots we concede , his constant excuses and support for the likes of Rashford and Antony , his generally poor judgement on transfers , those delusional quotes he comes up with after matches, pathetic performances in the PL and champions league all point to a manager unsuitable for a club of our ambition. Squad rebuild will have to take place under someone with better track record , he has to go.
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Apr 29, 2024 11:06:54 GMT
He’s just trolling us now lads with the comments after the weekends latest horseshit. Not to mention the club pinning the tweet on Saturday evening telling us all the FT score was 1-1 with the mighty Burnley, and only unpinning it this morning. Can’t take any more of this comedy to be quite honest.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 29, 2024 11:44:54 GMT
Let’s not make excuses for the manager. The baseline was consecutive top four finishes under Ole. And that was with McFred in midfield and Maguire and Lindelof in defence.
We’ve gone backwards this season. Yes recruitment has been terrible we’ve had injuries and the squad is mostly bang averages But previous managers had similar issues and did a better job. And at least when they had bad seasons you could say the players had downed tools.
We’ve got a fantastic young striker but Erik hasn’t set us up to provide him with the service he needs. We’ve been wide open in midfield all season and he’s done nothing to tweak the tactics to plug those gaps and give our makeshift defence some protection. He doesn’t seem to know how to use any of the players he signs besides Martinez. And our squad looks even more unbalanced than when he joined us.
Any other club by now would have sacked him and given someone else a chance. But we are so used to managers failing that we make excuses for him and say oh it’s the players, things will be better under the new structure…..
Reality is he’s part of the problem and removing him will make things better so long as we bring in a sensible replacement and we don’t need an elite coach just someone competent who can work well with Ashworth and Wilcox and is tactically adept enough and good enough at man management to get more both out of the resources at his disposal and the additional resources we bring in
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Post by unitedsotex on Apr 29, 2024 14:14:35 GMT
Let’s not make excuses for the manager. The baseline was consecutive top four finishes under Ole. And that was with McFred in midfield and Maguire and Lindelof in defence. We’ve gone backwards this season. Yes recruitment has been terrible we’ve had injuries and the squad is mostly bang averages But previous managers had similar issues and did a better job. And at least when they had bad seasons you could say the players had downed tools. We’ve got a fantastic young striker but Erik hasn’t set us up to provide him with the service he needs. We’ve been wide open in midfield all season and he’s done nothing to tweak the tactics to plug those gaps and give our makeshift defence some protection. He doesn’t seem to know how to use any of the players he signs besides Martinez. And our squad looks even more unbalanced than when he joined us. Any other club by now would have sacked him and given someone else a chance. But we are so used to managers failing that we make excuses for him and say oh it’s the players, things will be better under the new structure….. Reality is he’s part of the problem and removing him will make things better so long as we bring in a sensible replacement and we don’t need an elite coach just someone competent who can work well with Ashworth and Wilcox and is tactically adept enough and good enough at man management to get more both out of the resources at his disposal and the additional resources we bring in He is absolutely apart of the problem. The hard part is answering the question: With proper recruiting does HE manage better? We can make a laundry list of rational reasons to justify one way or the other and it would be a fair argument.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 29, 2024 22:07:13 GMT
With better players we'd probably be more organized, make fewer mistakes, create fewer chances and the flaws in Erik's tactics/system would only get exposed by good teams rather than by Coventry and Sheffield United.
For me the fact our team looks completely uncoached indicates that there is something very wrong with his man-management and tactics.
LVG and Jose also had average squads and suffered from poor recruitment but they at least under them we looked organized as a team and rarely as shambolic as we've looked under Erik. And while we also struggled to create chances we didn't give so many away and were difficult to beat.
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