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Post by jimbonda on Nov 22, 2011 0:02:30 GMT
i understand we tried to sign nasri in the summer and put in a transfer bid. fergusons comments strongly suggest that's the case as well. of course i don't have actual physical proof to hand, but why the fuck would the wizard lie about it? when has he ever worried about upsetting anyone with decisions he makes on the teams behalf. if he felt that we didn't need said midfield player he'd just come out and say so. he wouldn't try and butter up the fans by claiming we'd made attempts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 0:07:16 GMT
who know really what goes on. On one hand you've the fans saying "sign a midfielder ffs" then when that doesnt happen the other hand is the "we tried" comment.
Don't get me wrong - i seriously would love Goetze at the club but after the last set of disapointments, i'm not going 'cocks out' mode
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Post by fletchabey on Nov 22, 2011 0:45:37 GMT
this attitude is getting old and boring IMO. it's nonsense, we made attempts in the summer to sign this exact type of player. show me exact proof that we tried to sign this type of player... and by proof i mean an email / a recorded telephone call / a fax / a video recorded meeting in a cafe or hotel or in old trafford. proof is not Gill or Fergie saying in a press conference saying "well we tried but gosh darn it, we just failed / its a sellers market / no value" then again perhaps i should just change my attitude because you don't like it?? should it sound like this; "oh gee, we did TRY, fergie said so!! and because he said so we should blindly believe it without question for to question Fergie is to question the roth of the cult of Fergie" no Fletch - i was being neither sarcastic nor moronic (well slightly sarcastic) further to this- its a FACT that we will not sign this player whilst you may think you have a decent point, I find what your suggesting rather illogical. Do you think the biggest club in the world, who have a record for finding gems really would be resting on their laurels and not even bothering to try to sign anyone. I find that suggestion ridiculous. The 'evidence' suggestion works both ways, but surely some ounce of logic in your body would tell you we looked at midfielders. The 'moronic' comment, sorry I thought you were just being sarcastic, usually I don't try to insult people. You seemed to be suggesting we dont buy top class young talent with potential to be even better... Jones, De Gea, Smalling, Hernandez suggest otherwise. Both Jones and De Gea were signed at cut prices due to release clauses. Again, such a random thing to accuse Utd of.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 22, 2011 9:52:04 GMT
Sure Fergies going senile - he hasnt a clue what he's doing anymore. He probably looks at the midfield and thinks Keane, Becks, Scholes and a young Giggsy are out there - he's gone completely loopy.
We havent won the league already and we havent won in Europe in the past 50 years it seems, we're shite.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 11:47:37 GMT
show me exact proof that we tried to sign this type of player... and by proof i mean an email / a recorded telephone call / a fax / a video recorded meeting in a cafe or hotel or in old trafford. proof is not Gill or Fergie saying in a press conference saying "well we tried but gosh darn it, we just failed / its a sellers market / no value" then again perhaps i should just change my attitude because you don't like it?? should it sound like this; "oh gee, we did TRY, fergie said so!! and because he said so we should blindly believe it without question for to question Fergie is to question the roth of the cult of Fergie" no Fletch - i was being neither sarcastic nor moronic (well slightly sarcastic) further to this- its a FACT that we will not sign this player whilst you may think you have a decent point, I find what your suggesting rather illogical. Do you think the biggest club in the world, who have a record for finding gems really would be resting on their laurels and not even bothering to try to sign anyone. I find that suggestion ridiculous. The 'evidence' suggestion works both ways, but surely some ounce of logic in your body would tell you we looked at midfielders. The 'moronic' comment, sorry I thought you were just being sarcastic, usually I don't try to insult people. You seemed to be suggesting we dont buy top class young talent with potential to be even better... Jones, De Gea, Smalling, Hernandez suggest otherwise. Both Jones and De Gea were signed at cut prices due to release clauses. Again, such a random thing to accuse Utd of. yeah of course we looked at players for the midfield - duh how stupid of me. Being the biggest club in the world obviously no one is good enough for us or no one would make our already obviously mighty midfield any better. What player in the world could make the following better giggs - 700 years old Park - runs about and thats about it Nani - inconsistant but still i really do feel a brilliant player Young - amazing already Fletcher - the scotish pheonom that hasnt really lived up and quite frankly is shit Ando - not really showing who he should be Carrick - is on and off, mostly off. Cleverly - been injured to much of the season to make a comment. god damn obviously NO ONE in the whole entire world would make it into that already almighty center of the park - a midfield collection that makes the likes of Xavi and Iniesta look like mere single cell organisms floating around the pitch. the " we looked at players " arguement is complete and utter bollox - 7 billion people in the world and we couldn't find a SINGLE player to fit in there? RUBBISH this summer the following teams bought midfielders while we're resorting to playing our star player there Arsenal; Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Mikel Arteta Chelsea; Juan Mata Raul Meireles Liverpool; Jordan Henderson Charlie Adam Stewart Downing Man City; Owen Hargreaves Samir Nasri Spurs; Scott Parker Barca; Cesc Fabregas MADrid; Nuri Sahin Hamit Altintop nope - not a single player in that list would OBVIOUSLY be good enough for United to even glance at owing to our majestic midfield when the January and then summer transfer window's come and go and we don't sign Goatze or anyone of any importance except for 'someone for the future' then ill say - told you so.
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 22, 2011 11:54:27 GMT
what are you trying to say? its got to be that either Ferguson doesn't recognise we need a new center mid, or that he's incompetent and can't sign one. or that the club is incompetent and can't close a deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 11:57:33 GMT
1 apparently and 3
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Post by 7even on Nov 22, 2011 12:01:01 GMT
If it is a midfielder (you can make that plural if you'd like) then I'll be the first to say Fergie, the scouts or whoever the fuck wants to take the blame should have pulled out their finger a long time ago. Also, I think people forget how young our 'golden generation' were when talking about our current crop of youngsters and how we should wait. Beckham - 18/19, Scholes - 19/20, Butt- 19, Neville - 19, Giggs - 17.
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 22, 2011 12:02:27 GMT
so you don't believe we bid for nasri and looked into sneijder. and you believe ferguson hoodwinked the fans, because he's scared to come out and say 'we don't need a mid' ?
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Post by Tatty on Nov 22, 2011 12:10:33 GMT
so you don't believe we bid for nasri and looked into sneijder. and you believe ferguson hoodwinked the fans, because he's scared to come out and say 'we don't need a mid' ? I think he's too scared to say we weren't able to compete financially.
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Nov 22, 2011 12:11:57 GMT
I think we looked at some players in the summer - Sanchez, Nasri and maybe Sneijder - but we weren't able to close the deal, probably because we weren't willing to spend a bit extra to get them - and that is because Fergie probably didn't think it's wort splashing too much cash on a midfielder because he believed our current midfield can do the job - he trusts players like Carrick, Fletcher, Ando, Park and Giggs to do a job they realistically can't because of their limitations. Fergie has a blind spot when it comes to our midfield as nothing has been done to improve it since Hargo and Ando were bought...
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Nov 22, 2011 12:19:41 GMT
I think he's too scared to say we weren't able to compete financially. This. But I would much rather see if he admited we can't afford some players ala Nasri instead of giving the impression we didn't buy because we didn't feel they could improve us...
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 22, 2011 12:24:09 GMT
nasri - word is we opened the bidding for him, nasri wanted the move, but arsenal did not want to do business with us and nasri did not want to sit out another 12 months at arsenal and took the move to city.
sneijder - it's a certainty we at least looked into signing him, but i always felt ferguson was operating well out of his comfort zone with sneijder bearing in mind how big a star sneijder is and the complications that brings, and that the terms of the deal would have to sit absolutely right with fergie and the club or it wouldn't happen. the wizard is not gonna get bullied by big stars, their agents or the inter president holding out for kings ransoms.
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Post by jimbonda on Nov 22, 2011 12:25:19 GMT
I think he's too scared to say we weren't able to compete financially. This. But I would much rather see if he admited we can't afford some players ala Nasri instead of giving the impression we didn't buy because we didn't feel they could improve us... where did we ever give that impression? fergusons only comment on nasri was 'i don't think he'll be joining us. i think he's agreed to go somewhere else.'
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Nov 22, 2011 12:37:37 GMT
This. But I would much rather see if he admited we can't afford some players ala Nasri instead of giving the impression we didn't buy because we didn't feel they could improve us... where did we ever give that impression? fergusons only comment on nasri was 'i don't think he'll be joining us. i think he's agreed to go somewhere else.' I meant it in a general sense, not specificaly Nasri. We were interested in some players but nothing happened and Fergusons explanation was that our midfield is good enough and new signings weren't needed.
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