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Post by Stew on Jan 1, 2014 14:17:14 GMT
I only bring him up as he made complete shit of Barkley in a reserve game a few years back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 14:18:40 GMT
We probably could have just played Pogba, might have saved us a few bob.  |
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Post by pancakeapocalypse on Jan 1, 2014 15:06:20 GMT
barkley is a great talent, any idiot can see that, mario gotze and eden hazard both moved for over £30 million themselves by the way. the advantage of signing a young english talent is that you don't have to worry about them pining for a move to a foreign club, you are likely to get loyalty and 10 plus years of service and it is less of a risk then spending the money on a foreign player who may not settle in the country. i wonder if you thought 18 year old rooney was worth £25 million in 2004, prices have gone up since then simply because there is more money in football and more buyers for top players then before. if united don't compete for him because he is viewed as not value for money he'll simply go to city or chelsea instead, the only club that loses out in that scenario is united. we don't have sir alex anymore, we are in the same boat as every other club now, we need top players to compete and top players cost big money. Oh my fuck. You're actually comparing Barkley to Götze and Hazard. Hazard got his 30 million move after he fucking scored 20 goals and assisted 20 more in Ligue 1 and was voted the player of the year 2 years running . What the fuck has Barkley done then ? 5 step overs? Mario Götze helped take his team to the Champions League final and won the Bundesliga twice when he was 18 . What has Barkley won again ? You need to question yourself again who is the real idiot here. The one who wants to throw 40 million at an unproven youngster or the one asking for prudence with regards to spending that kind of money which we don't have and rarely get an opportunity to spend. We got lucky with Rooney . It was a gamble which has heaped rewards. Unless you being the clairvoyant you are absolutely knew Rooney would become as good as he is today. The kind of gamble that has gone wrong more often than right . What do you think it will do to Ross Barkley's confidence if he is bought for 40 million ? Do you know if he has the mental toughness to play well with that price tag hanging over his head ? Do you know if he will continue to play as freely as he does now ? What when he goes through a bad run of form ? Will he bounce back ? We had Fergie when we bought Rooney. Now we have Moyes who isn't half the man Fergie is . We don't get that much money to spend in transfer windows as we used to. So do you want to bet an entire transfer window on an unproven 18 year old? I think it's a stupid fucking thing to do. £35 million for barkley, for me that is decent business for the best young english talent in the country, but i guess i rate him higher then you do and have seen more of him. that is the kind of money he will go for when he moves whether it be to city, chelsea or us so there is no use worrying about how the price tag will affect him, that is just something he will have to deal with if he wants to play for a big club. rooney wasn't a gamble, his talent was obvious, at the age of 16 it was obvious he was going to be a top player. the same is true of barkley, it is obvious he is going to be a top player from the talent he possesses, that is what you pay the big money for. barkley is 20 by the way not 18, he'll be a part of the first team squad straight away if he comes in. what if he goes through a bad run of form? that is football, no use worrying about things like that. as for your desire for united to be prudent with spending, united have been far too tight with tranfer funds for a long while now, its time to spend some serious money, spending big money on a few players won't bankrupt the club, united can afford it... |
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Post by karthy on Jan 1, 2014 15:27:12 GMT
I only bring him up as he made complete shit of Barkley in a reserve game a few years back. think his contract his up this summer as well according to reports - wouldn't mind DM doing some of "Rooney Magic" on him. Was so looking forward to seeing him and Morrison in the first team - maybe will be lucky second time around.  I'd rather spend 30M on Pogba than on Barkley TBH |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 1, 2014 16:13:11 GMT
I only bring him up as he made complete shit of Barkley in a reserve game a few years back. think his contract his up this summer as well according to reports - wouldn't mind DM doing some of "Rooney Magic" on him. Was so looking forward to seeing him and Morrison in the first team - maybe will be lucky second time around. I'd rather spend 30M on Pogba than on Barkley TBH Nah, Pogba's a 'money-grabbing c*nt' who definitely didn't move because we played Ryan Giggs, Ji-Sung Park or John O'Shea in the centre of midfield instead of giving Pogba first team chances. |
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Post by Trystiano Ronaldo on Jan 1, 2014 16:31:22 GMT
Apparently no interest in Barkley, at least for this transfer window
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Post by karthy on Jan 1, 2014 16:53:45 GMT
think his contract his up this summer as well according to reports - wouldn't mind DM doing some of "Rooney Magic" on him. Was so looking forward to seeing him and Morrison in the first team - maybe will be lucky second time around. I'd rather spend 30M on Pogba than on Barkley TBH Nah, Pogba's a 'money-grabbing c*nt' who definitely didn't move because we played Ryan Giggs, Ji-Sung Park or John O'Shea in the centre of midfield instead of giving Pogba first team chances. think you missed his Highness being asked to drop back to protect also. Anyway if Rooney can be forgiven i don't see why Pogs can't be? |
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Post by pancakeapocalypse on Jan 1, 2014 17:12:37 GMT
Nah, Pogba's a 'money-grabbing c*nt' who definitely didn't move because we played Ryan Giggs, Ji-Sung Park or John O'Shea in the centre of midfield instead of giving Pogba first team chances. think you missed his Highness being asked to drop back to protect also. Anyway if Rooney can be forgiven i don't see why Pogs can't be? pogba hasn't exactly been complementary about united in interviews since leaving, he has burned his bridges with us, no chance of him returning... |
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Post by Stew on Jan 1, 2014 17:22:50 GMT
think you missed his Highness being asked to drop back to protect also. Anyway if Rooney can be forgiven i don't see why Pogs can't be? pogba hasn't exactly been complementary about united in interviews since leaving, he has burned his bridges with us, no chance of him returning... For example? |
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Post by redcase on Jan 1, 2014 21:05:03 GMT
pogba hasn't exactly been complementary about united in interviews since leaving, he has burned his bridges with us, no chance of him returning... For example? Give him a day or two. He does need to find something. |
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Post by pancakeapocalypse on Jan 1, 2014 21:25:33 GMT
Give him a day or two. He does need to find something. he's given interviews blaming sir alex for him leaving united for not giving him a chance and he was quite smug about it, like he knows united blundered by letting him go, he didn't part with united on the best of terms and he hasn't endeared himself with his comments after leaving. besides, can you really see united spending £40 million on a player that we allowed to leave for nothing 2 years ago... |
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Post by redcase on Jan 1, 2014 21:28:00 GMT
Give him a day or two. He does need to find something. he's given interviews blaming sir alex for him leaving united for not giving him a chance and he was quite smug about it, like he knows united blundered by letting him go, he didn't part with united on the best of terms and he hasn't endeared himself with his comments after leaving. besides, can you really see united spending £40 million on a player that we allowed to leave for nothing 2 years ago... Name one word of that which you think is false. Fuck bad terms. Fergie is not here anymore. 40 million for the best young central midfielder in the world? Yes. 40 million for Ross Barkley? Fuck right off. I watched him play today against Stoke. I'll leave you with anonymous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 21:32:35 GMT
I'd take Pogba back in a heartbeat. He's completely in the right to say what he has since leaving. We SHOULD have played him. I'd say he's fucking proven that since leaving myself!
Barkley is very talented but hasn't proven himself yet, he's worth a punt at 20 million but I wouldn't be going more than that.
Rooney had starred at a major international tournament when we got him, he wasn't potential, he was proven class.
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Post by pancakeapocalypse on Jan 1, 2014 21:50:01 GMT
he's given interviews blaming sir alex for him leaving united for not giving him a chance and he was quite smug about it, like he knows united blundered by letting him go, he didn't part with united on the best of terms and he hasn't endeared himself with his comments after leaving. besides, can you really see united spending £40 million on a player that we allowed to leave for nothing 2 years ago... Name one word of that which you think is false. Fuck bad terms. Fergie is not here anymore. 40 million for the best young central midfielder in the world? Yes. 40 million for Ross Barkley? Fuck right off. I watched him play today against Stoke. I'll leave you with anonymous. as i said united are not going to go and spend £40 million on a player we allowed to leave for nothing 2 years ago, ego comes into it and sir alex is still sitting in the boardroom influencing decisions, its just not going to happen... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 21:57:57 GMT
Fergie also wanted Rooney out of the club, that much was pretty clear. Fergie also wanted his backroom staff kept on.
If Fergie still had as much power as people seem to think then Rooney would be gone and Phelan and Rene would still be here.
Moyes made his own decisions on these, if he strongly wanted Pogba (not that there's been any murmur that he does) then I doubt he'd back down because Fergie didn't want him.
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