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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 29, 2020 16:02:58 GMT
He’s been in PFA Team of the Season for 5 times. 4 years on the bounce. He’s won us more games than he’s cost us. People have very short memories, for 3 years he was in my opinion the best Goalkeeper in world football alongside Neuer. His form has been patchy at best but for supporters to say he was never an all round keeper is bullshit and shows you how fucking fickle supporters are. There's alot of talk about Henderson at present but I remember the same conversations about Foster and that didn't work out at all. Like everything with this club we gave him a contract only a madman would give him at the time, so selling him to any club other than Madrid would be hard work. Top players don't like taking pay cuts. De Gea is only 29, in goalkeeper years he's still very young. It makes sense to stick with him and for Ole and the coaches at the club to get him back to his best. There was a period in Van Der Sars career where he went 3 or 4 years in the dog house, after all he was at Fulham when we signed him. |
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Post by dazjoe on Jun 29, 2020 22:36:41 GMT
He’s been in PFA Team of the Season for 5 times. 4 years on the bounce. He’s won us more games than he’s cost us. People have very short memories, for 3 years he was in my opinion the best Goalkeeper in world football alongside Neuer. His form has been patchy at best but for supporters to say he was never an all round keeper is bullshit and shows you how fucking fickle supporters are. There's alot of talk about Henderson at present but I remember the same conversations about Foster and that didn't work out at all. Like everything with this club we gave him a contract only a madman would give him at the time, so selling him to any club other than Madrid would be hard work. Top players don't like taking pay cuts. De Gea is only 29, in goalkeeper years he's still very young. It makes sense to stick with him and for Ole and the coaches at the club to get him back to his best. There was a period in Van Der Sars career where he went 3 or 4 years in the dog house, after all he was at Fulham when we signed him. It's a tricky one. It's easy to post in anger after yet another absolute howler has cost us, I've absolutely done that myself, then look back in the cold light of day and agree that getting rid of Dave would be short sighted and we need to stick with him. But at the same time, how long is a simple drop in form, and when does it become permanent? How long does someone stay at a club due to "Remember how good he use to be!" Based on that logic Rio, Vidic and Evra would still make up 3/4's of our back 4. I compared it to the Rooney situation a few weeks back and it may be pertinent. I also used Cech and Casillas as examples of goal keepers who were outstanding until they hit 30/31 and simply dropped right off. Yes Dave is only 29 and generally with 'keepers that is no age at all, but he wouldn't be the first to just lose it and never get it back. Some of us, me as much as anyone, held onto hope for far too long that the old Rooney would return, after all he was "Only" 26/27/28. Peak years. It was clear as day that he was done as a top level player and we should have cashed in when Fergie left. But, he used to be brilliant, and imagine how stupid we would look if we sold him to City/Chelsea and he got back to that level. So he stayed. And stayed. And stayed. I want to be clear, I am not saying we should sell De Gea this summer. But I would like to see Henderson not loaned out next year, and let Dave know in no uncertain terms, "next summer, this is last chance saloon mate. Because 3 straight seasons of shiteness is not a dip in form. It's that you are fucked and we cannot indulge you just because you used to be so good. He is here to take your place so you need to massively up your game back to where you used to be otherwise, your on the bench." How Dave responds to that is down to him, but you do not keep your place in a title winning team based on past glories. He needs to sort his shit out, and quickly. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 30, 2020 7:22:15 GMT
People have very short memories, for 3 years he was in my opinion the best Goalkeeper in world football alongside Neuer. His form has been patchy at best but for supporters to say he was never an all round keeper is bullshit and shows you how fucking fickle supporters are. There's alot of talk about Henderson at present but I remember the same conversations about Foster and that didn't work out at all. Like everything with this club we gave him a contract only a madman would give him at the time, so selling him to any club other than Madrid would be hard work. Top players don't like taking pay cuts. De Gea is only 29, in goalkeeper years he's still very young. It makes sense to stick with him and for Ole and the coaches at the club to get him back to his best. There was a period in Van Der Sars career where he went 3 or 4 years in the dog house, after all he was at Fulham when we signed him. It's a tricky one. It's easy to post in anger after yet another absolute howler has cost us, I've absolutely done that myself, then look back in the cold light of day and agree that getting rid of Dave would be short sighted and we need to stick with him. But at the same time, how long is a simple drop in form, and when does it become permanent? How long does someone stay at a club due to "Remember how good he use to be!" Based on that logic Rio, Vidic and Evra would still make up 3/4's of our back 4. I compared it to the Rooney situation a few weeks back and it may be pertinent. I also used Cech and Casillas as examples of goal keepers who were outstanding until they hit 30/31 and simply dropped right off. Yes Dave is only 29 and generally with 'keepers that is no age at all, but he wouldn't be the first to just lose it and never get it back. Some of us, me as much as anyone, held onto hope for far too long that the old Rooney would return, after all he was "Only" 26/27/28. Peak years. It was clear as day that he was done as a top level player and we should have cashed in when Fergie left. But, he used to be brilliant, and imagine how stupid we would look if we sold him to City/Chelsea and he got back to that level. So he stayed. And stayed. And stayed. I want to be clear, I am not saying we should sell De Gea this summer. But I would like to see Henderson not loaned out next year, and let Dave know in no uncertain terms, "next summer, this is last chance saloon mate. Because 3 straight seasons of shiteness is not a dip in form. It's that you are fucked and we cannot indulge you just because you used to be so good. He is here to take your place so you need to massively up your game back to where you used to be otherwise, your on the bench." How Dave responds to that is down to him, but you do not keep your place in a title winning team based on past glories. He needs to sort his shit out, and quickly. Your spot when you say we cannot rely on false hope, alot should be and is expected at a club like this but has he really been been awful for 3 straight seasons? There is no doubt he's made some clangers this season but can we say for certain he cost us CL football last season and not players ballooning penalties over the crossbar or some rank defending cost us in games near the end of the season? |
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Post by RAZ on Jul 6, 2020 13:26:01 GMT
i am a massive fan of de gea and will forever be grateful for him being our best player for so many years, his loyalty during the darkest of times and professionalism. had lots of understanding for his earlier mistakes as every one of them makes them. van der sar made ugly mistakes, schmeichel made ugly mistakes from time to time. unfortunately de gea has been average for about 2 years now, repeating mistakes.
but i wouldnt want him to leave the club, we have other really pressing issues in some positions that need to be adressed immediately. what i would do however is, go with de gea as no. 1 into next season. but from that moment on treat him like every other player. if he makes a mistake or two, he gets dropped and replaced by romero or henderson (depending how we handle the goalkeeper situation). and vice versa until one of the keepers stands out and grabs the spot long term. kind of similiar to back then when de gea and lindegaard were battling it out (although it was quite clear de gea will be number one).
i dont mean it in a sense of "punishing" de gea. more like putting him under pressure and letting him know that his spot is up for grabs if he fucks up several times. i love the lad and want him to stay and i`m sure he will stay anyway but it could do him some good feeling pressure from the other keepers and getting dropped when not being at his best.
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Post by Stew on Jul 6, 2020 15:37:40 GMT
People are losing their minds a bit over Dave imo. If he’d kept out that first goal on Saturday it would have been a worldie. About 95% of the blame for that goal goes to Maguire.
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Post by Bestie on Jul 6, 2020 18:10:37 GMT
People are losing their minds a bit over Dave imo. If he’d kept out that first goal on Saturday it would have been a worldie. About 95% of the blame for that goal goes to Maguire. He was miles off his near post Stew. Was really poor goalkeeping. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 6, 2020 18:35:25 GMT
People are losing their minds a bit over Dave imo. If he’d kept out that first goal on Saturday it would have been a worldie. About 95% of the blame for that goal goes to Maguire. He was miles off his near post Stew. Was really poor goalkeeping. I’m not saying he hasn’t had some moments recently, he has of course. But to me I think he made a slight move across because he anticipated a cross, not Maguire getting mugged like a under 13 player. |
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Post by Stretty on Jul 6, 2020 21:19:38 GMT
He was miles off his near post Stew. Was really poor goalkeeping. I’m not saying he hasn’t had some moments recently, he has of course. But to me I think he made a slight move across because he anticipated a cross, not Maguire getting mugged like a under 13 player. you’re both right Maguire defended like a Sunday league player that had been on the piss the night before but ddg has gone down a level over the last 2 years. |
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Post by dazjoe on Jul 6, 2020 21:32:36 GMT
Your spot when you say we cannot rely on false hope, alot should be and is expected at a club like this but has he really been been awful for 3 straight seasons? There is no doubt he's made some clangers this season but can we say for certain he cost us CL football last season and not players ballooning penalties over the crossbar or some rank defending cost us in games near the end of the season? Sorry, I meant if he continues his form for the whole of next season, by the summer of 2021 is will have been 3 shite seasons, not 3 years now. It started in the World Cup and has just gone on since. He is still capable of top class saves but the ridiculous, "what the fuck are you doing?" moments are coming way, way too often with him. Every 'keeper, even the very best, has one a season. It's close to one a month with him. Agree that he alone isn't costing us, the defense being all over the shop didn't help, midfielders afraid to pass the ball more than 10 yards didn't help, forwards who turn into Christy Brown when faced with a chance to shoot didn't help, but he has and is contributing. Just off the top of my head (and I know there's been more) the goals against Everton, Watford, Bournemouth and Spurs were all "Jesus fucking Christ" goals. Maybe some of us are going over the top a bit with the criticism, but he's a big boy and he's pulling in about a million quid a month after tax, he can take it. If I go to work today and say I want a massive new contract, but I'm also not going to keep working at the same level, bollocks to that, I'm going to drop right off and start slacking, I wouldn't last long in the role. The fact that my stats in 2017 were great will only cut it for so long. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 1:47:01 GMT
The goal on Saturday I wouldn't necessarily put down to keeper error, lapse in judgement perhaps not not an error. Honestly think he was expecting the ball to be cut back. The goal against Everton with his feeble pass...that WAS keeper error. There's a difference.
Seems like every goal we concede now some people try to find a fault with De Gea and hang him. Maguire has yet again seemed to escape criticsm and mostly landed on the keeper.
Maguire has had a hand in every single goal weve conceded since the restart. Not seen him get half the shit De Gea has had.
De Gea has made 3 actual errors that have lead to goals this season. Total up those thst have missed penalties and defenders that have fucked up aswell. Can guarantee theres probably half a dozen that have made more errors than that. Also add up the saves hes made that have saved us from dropping points.
Too many are quick to think of the negative things and forget the positive. Then you get idiots wanting to sell him and bring Hendo in. God fucking help him the first time he makes a mistake. The guy will be lynched.
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Post by mightyez on Jul 7, 2020 6:57:00 GMT
Overall been a world class signing, it’s a shame at our lowest he was a beacon and now we are trying to rise collectively his form is far off where he was.
Could be too much trouble to get him and Henderson to battle next season, for stability sake one will need to be number one and the other number two.
If hendo is no2 then his progress stalls if it’s DDT’s his value falls further as does morale etc.
If we can get a commanding cb I’d stick with him next season and see how it goes provides Henderson signs a new long term deal.
On his day ddg has proven for me he is by far the best keeper in the world and damn consistent too.
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 7, 2020 8:43:26 GMT
Overall been a world class signing, it’s a shame at our lowest he was a beacon and now we are trying to rise collectively his form is far off where he was. Could be too much trouble to get him and Henderson to battle next season, for stability sake one will need to be number one and the other number two. If hendo is no2 then his progress stalls if it’s DDT’s his value falls further as does morale etc. If we can get a commanding cb I’d stick with him next season and see how it goes provides Henderson signs a new long term deal. On his day ddg has proven for me he is by far the best keeper in the world and damn consistent too. I think this summer we will sell DDG ,if they can get a decent fee for him. |
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Post by mightyez on Jul 7, 2020 12:09:31 GMT
Overall been a world class signing, it’s a shame at our lowest he was a beacon and now we are trying to rise collectively his form is far off where he was. Could be too much trouble to get him and Henderson to battle next season, for stability sake one will need to be number one and the other number two. If hendo is no2 then his progress stalls if it’s DDT’s his value falls further as does morale etc. If we can get a commanding cb I’d stick with him next season and see how it goes provides Henderson signs a new long term deal. On his day ddg has proven for me he is by far the best keeper in the world and damn consistent too. I think this summer we will sell DDG ,if they can get a decent fee for him. Unlikely to happen but never say never. PSG would be the viable suitors as courtois in good form |
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Post by kstandhand on Jul 7, 2020 12:13:43 GMT
I think this summer we will sell DDG ,if they can get a decent fee for him. Unlikely to happen but never say never. PSG would be the viable suitors as courtois in good form We'd get a fairly big fee,shifts a big lump off the wage bill,we can't bring Henderson back & bench him,might just be DDG's time. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 7, 2020 14:40:46 GMT
Unlikely to happen but never say never. PSG would be the viable suitors as courtois in good form We'd get a fairly big fee,shifts a big lump off the wage bill,we can't bring Henderson back & bench him,might just be DDG's time. I think DDG would probably stay where he is if PSG was his only option. Nothing against PSG but he's on a fortune here and these big spenders have to adhere to FFP now especially considering what has happened to City. I still think it's very premature to sell him, we could get a lot of turds off our wage bill before we get to someone who has genuine quality. |
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