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Post by Bestie on Feb 20, 2012 12:31:10 GMT
By jove, he's growing up quick!
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Feb 20, 2012 13:07:51 GMT
I'm sure following his eye surgery he'll be even better.
Next season will be a big one for DDG.
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Post by jimbonda on Feb 20, 2012 18:44:42 GMT
Next season will be a big one for DDG. no bigger than this one. it would still be harsh to judge him badly after next season. he'll be playing in fixtures he's been dropped for this season and he'll probably experience the champions league knockouts - new territories for him. |
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Post by ericactor1 on Feb 20, 2012 19:03:11 GMT
I see the attack is well under way, I have expressed myself in the wrong way.
When I said 'basic goalkeeping skills' I was trying to say basic goalkeeping errors. He has made basic errors since arriving, the dropping of balls, corners, his presence in the box, coming off his line all attributes which have looked poor for a 18 million goal keeper.
Am I wrong to expect some sort of quality from an 18+ million goal keeper?
I don't think thats out of line. As I have mentioned before I hope he turns out to be a top goal keeper and i'm willing to give him time but i'm not going to stand back and act like i'm happy with him while he's making mistakes.
He hasn't lived up to his price tag, not yet.
@jimbona - Cheers for leading the attack mate much appreciated. On the point about Ferguson being a mug? I don't think he's a mug but in saying that i'm not going to pretend thats he's the best manager in the world when it comes to signing top players he has made one or two mistakes throughout his career most notably goalkeepers.
I can see why the hounds were on me. I worded what I was trying to say wrongly.
I'm not going to come on here and be reassured by the fact that DeGea is still young, he wouldn't be in the nets right now if Linders stayed fit in saying that he has got a second chance and so far has been good.
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Post by jimbonda on Feb 20, 2012 22:36:28 GMT
When I said 'basic goalkeeping skills' I was trying to say basic goalkeeping errors. yes that i can accept and i agree with ya. when u said he lacked basic keeping skills that is a totally different statement to saying he's made basic errors. i'm sure you can accept that. but you've cleared up what u meant. didn't mean to attack u fella or anything like that just wanted to know where u were coming from |
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Post by ericactor1 on Feb 20, 2012 22:45:00 GMT
Aye I know. My fault. I probably would of highlighting the same  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 21, 2012 0:25:27 GMT
On the point about Ferguson being a mug? I don't think he's a mug but in saying that i'm not going to pretend thats he's the best manager in the world when it comes to signing top players he has made one or two mistakes throughout his career most notably goalkeepers. 1. Veron? - even then he wasn't that bad - Just not suited to the English game and trying to oust 1 of the 2 best centre mids around at the time. 2. Barthez? 7.8 mill for a WC winner. And one that was solid in his first season and made maybe 12 or so mistakes that cost us points across all 3 seasons. 3. ? 4. ? Plus De Gea wasnt bought in as a top class player - he was bought in as one for the future - a la Ronaldo, Nani, Ando, Jones, Hernandez, Rooney, Smalling, etc. Now lets have a look at some other big money transfers: Shevchenko (30mill), Torres (50mill - and bought from a team in England), Carroll (35mill - and the same as Torres), Alves (13mill in 2007), Marlet (11.5mill in 2001), Grabbi (7mill in 2001), Mutu (16mill in 2003), Boswinga (16mill), Luiz (21mill),Kolarov (16mill) , Bentley (17mill), Henderson(21mill), Nasri (25mill), Downing (20mill), Luque (9.5mill in 2005), Viana (8.5mill in 2002), Jeffers (8mill in 2001), Rebrov (11.5mill in 2000) Yeah, Fergie is the worst manager ever for signing absolute dogshit top notch players isnt he? Even Veron's record here is nearly better than 99% of the above. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 7:06:09 GMT
Don't forget the magical Pep, who paid 70 million Euro's for Ibrahimovich, and 25 million for Chygrynskiy (yup, I'd ask who as well).
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Post by mltezr on Feb 21, 2012 9:22:50 GMT
On the point about Ferguson being a mug? I don't think he's a mug but in saying that i'm not going to pretend thats he's the best manager in the world when it comes to signing top players he has made one or two mistakes throughout his career most notably goalkeepers. 1. Veron? - even then he wasn't that bad - Just not suited to the English game and trying to oust 1 of the 2 best centre mids around at the time. 2. Barthez? 7.8 mill for a WC winner. And one that was solid in his first season and made maybe 12 or so mistakes that cost us points across all 3 seasons. 3. ? 4. ? tbh i think you just proved his point. ericactor stated that " he has made one or two mistakes throughout his career most notably goalkeepers". and you have shown 2 players that fit that bill. lets not forget tiabi and bosnich as a couple of goalkeepers that SAF got it wrong with. there is nothing wrong with this though, every manager will get things wrong, thats just the name of the game. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 21, 2012 9:59:10 GMT
He said top players - notably goalkeepers.
I wouldnt class either Taibi or Bosnich as top players when we signed them - and given that the 2 only cost a combined 4.5mill they were hardly expensive flops were they?
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Post by jimbonda on Feb 21, 2012 10:22:35 GMT
On the point about Ferguson being a mug? he would have been if he'd signed a keeper with no basic keeping abilities for any price let alone 18 million quid but we both agree that's not been the case  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 15:21:03 GMT
Don't forget the magical Pep, who paid 70 million Euro's for Ibrahimovich, and 25 million for Chygrynskiy (yup, I'd ask who as well). don't forget Eto was part of the deal too |
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Post by Tatty on Feb 21, 2012 16:52:59 GMT
He looks a lot more assured now he knows who's playing week in - week out at centre half, and I Rio and Jonny look more than confident in his abilities than they did a few months back. Amazing what a settled line-up can do.
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Post by ericactor1 on Feb 21, 2012 19:20:49 GMT
@ SET
It took him seven or eight keepers to replace the big dane. I'd consider a lot of them bad signings.
I singled out 'top players' I should of been more broad, in general his ability to sign good players hasn't been as good as other managers.
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Post by Dan United on Feb 22, 2012 9:00:16 GMT
@ SET It took him seven or eight keepers to replace the big dane. I'd consider a lot of them bad signings. I singled out 'top players' I should of been more broad, in general his ability to sign good players hasn't been as good as other managers. Woah, either you're not saying exactly what you mean as clearly as you would like or you're making quite a bold statement. Fergie's record is not without errors, of course, but name a manager that has a better record than his. And let's not forget that Fergie's buying players that have to be United quality, which automatically makes his job harder than a lot of managers. To give you an example of what I mean, Yakubu has, by all intents and purposes, been a good buy for Blackburn. But he is not the kind of player that's going to be setting the world alight at United, so if Fergie had bought him he would be considered another flop. |
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