David De Gea

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Plus dont forget that every transfer is a gamble.

There weren't a whole lot of clubs queuing up to take VDV off Madrids hands, and Tottenham could afford, and probably needed to, take a risk on him. Now everyone is quick to use his modest success as a stick to beat Fergie with, despite the fact his fitness levels are shite really.

Yet if we had signed him and he had to keep being subbed off and not completeing games and that they would have been moaning about that too. A player picks up 1 injury for us now and they are labelled injury prone as it is (thank god Robbo isnt playing anymore eh??).

Then, in pointing out his shite transfer record, or big-signing record, they convieniently forget that this is the same manager who signed Schmeichel, Sharpe, Bruce, McClair, Pallister, Ince, Parker, Kanchelskis, Cantona, Solskjaer, Cole, Johnsen, Keane, Ronaldo, Vidic, Evra, Sheringham, etc for alot less than what they have earnt us.

[ericactor1]

Taibi
Kleberson
Djemba-Djemba
Bellion
Forlan
Veron
Alan Smith
Anderson
Obertan
Ralph Milne
Jordi Cruyff
Bebe
Karel Poborsky
Ben Foster
Barthez
Carroll
Tosic
Manucho
Miller
Bosnich
Fangzhou

There some signings I think was off, yes some where young lads he took a risk on but judging by their ability it wasn't very hard to see that they were never going to be top players.

[Dan United]

Only a few of those would I consider glaring mistakes. Many of the younger players were earning rave reports, and when you're looking for players like Ronaldo, sometimes you have to take risks. I don't think you can include ANderson in there just yet. Sure, if he left tomorrow I'd consider him an expensive flop, but as long as he's with us, he still has time to become a big player for us. (Don't think he will, myself, but here's hoping)

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Cruyff was a solid player - nowhere near a flop! And he only cost 1.4mill. We let him go for free.

Smith was solid too (cant blame Fergie for the injury - well, some probably will i guess) - 1mill loss

Foster only cost 1mill and we sold him on for around 4-6mill. Or does profit not count??

Forlan was one of those who failed to adapt - look at what hes done since. Can hardly blame Fergie for taking a punt - fucking hell! about 4mill loss

We paid less than 8mill for a WC winner in Barthez and he was solid for a season or 2. Let him go back to Marseille on a free.

Veron was expensive,yes but his arrival was just bad timing - he failed to oust Scholes and Keane in their pomp - hardly a crime. He wasnt actually shit for us. 12mill loss

Ando - as Dan says - is still here. There is still time for him to change - look at his form at the start of the season.

Taibi (29) - we lost 2mill, Kleberson (24) - we lost 4mill, Djemba x2 (22) - lost 2mill, Bellion (19) - lost less than 1mill, Obertan (20) - loss 1mill, Milne (27) - 150k loss, Bebe - we now know that Bebe was a sweetner for the agent which led us to get De Gea and possibly a few others in the near future. 4mill of Bebe's "fee" went to the agent, not the club btw. Poborsky (24) - not sure what we signed him for, or got for him when sold to benfica. Carroll (24) - 2.5mill loss, Tosic (22) 2.5mill profit, Manucho (25) - 1.6mill profit, Miller (23) signed for free, sold for free, Bosnich (27) same as Miller, Fangzhou (19) 500k loss - we all know he was only signed cos he was chinese.

Roughly that makes a loss of about 35/36mill. Or a Shevchenko and a bit. Now, who are these mythical managers that have never ever made a mistake? Have all of Wengers signings gone on to be massive successes?? Fucking hell Fergie has been here 25 years now.

What about all the players that Fergie has signed that have been a roaring success???

SACK FERGIE!!!

[Bestie]

Alan Smith was an excellent player for us, everyone just seems to remember his leg break and being shoe-horned into a midfield role. Not having this recent ragging on Smudge!

[ScholesEvilTwin]

I was a Smudger fan myself - always an under-rated player. A team cant be all full of superstars.




Or my personal fave:

[ginger18legend]

Seba was my first football hero. Don't consider him to be a failure for us. No way. Was devastated when we shipped him to Chelsea.
Soft corner for Smudge as well. Debut goal in Community Shield and the one against Norwich were pure class. Couldn't believe we hard to fork out just the 7m for him when we did. He was probably the most promising young English player back then.

[ericactor1]

How many of these top ratted youngsters do we keep brining in? Fair enough reserving hope from Anderson and if you think he can become a big player for us then I think you very foolish, I think its pretty clear from his time so far at the club that he does not have the ability to be a top player.

There's no point me continuing to list players because you have an excuse for them all, our opinions remain different fair enough.

If you think Sir Alex has done well when it comes to transfers then so be, I think he could of done a whole lot better.

[ginger18legend]

Feb 22, 2012 22:10:54 GMT ericactor1 said:

Fair enough reserving hope from Anderson and if you think he can become a big player for us then I think you very foolish, I think its pretty clear from his time so far at the club that he does not have the ability to be a top player.

Agree. If we had a better midfield I think we would have sold him last summer.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Feb 22, 2012 22:10:54 GMT ericactor1 said:

How many of these top ratted youngsters do we keep brining in? Fair enough reserving hope from Anderson and if you think he can become a big player for us then I think you very foolish, I think its pretty clear from his time so far at the club that he does not have the ability to be a top player.

There's no point me continuing to list players because you have an excuse for them all, our opinions remain different fair enough.

If you think Sir Alex has done well when it comes to transfers then so be, I think he could of done a whole lot better.

Are you fucking serious?? How??How can someone who has spent 25 years getting 1 club to the top of the tree and keeping them there have done better??

Plus you have ignored the question of showing us a manager that has a 100% transfer record??

EDIT: Do you understand the term "speculate to accumulate"? Do you even know how transfers and football works? And that 1 player, who is fantastic at 1 club may not be fantastic at another? Forlan was considered a flop here, then went to Spain and was immense - so should we condemn Fergie for the fail, when Forlan clearly has talent??

And we are supposed to have the most clued up fans are we?? Have they all died or gone to FC or something? No wonder the atmosphere at OT is shite if this is what they think now.

Would really love to see how some on here would fare in management. You should try it - you would have the lot won within a season

[Bestie]

Funny, that Norwich goal is the second one I immediately think of. Absolute cracker.

The first is, "Oh it's found a way though, Alan Smith. . . THE FORGOTTEN MAN IS BACK!!!"

I was there, but that line of commentary has been etched in memory in the hundreds of times I've watched the highlights!

[Deleted]

Fergie's bad signings have generally been cheap ones.
Every manager has a hit and miss record with these players, if they were regarded as top class their clubs wouldn't be letting them leave on the cheap, so you have to try to find something in them that no one else sees, not exactly easy.
Can't be bothered to list signings as it's been done a million times, but lets look at Wenger instead, who is constantly held up in the media as a genius at bringing players in.
He has signed:
Almunia, Cygan, Luzhny, Senderos, Stepanovs, Danilevicus , Wright, Jeffers, Reyes, Diawara, Squillaci, Arshavin, Bentner. There's more but I can't be arsed trying to think of them all.
Consider that since '05 Fergie has been working under financial difficulty, and that this has coincided with the explosion of cash available at Chelsea and City, nothing like it has been seen in British football before, and yet he has still managed to deliver 4 titles in 6, plus 3 champions league finals, and has done so despite having to replace Keane and RVN in the first year of the financial constraint placed upon him.
He has had to look for bargains in this period, and has delivered Van Der Sar, Park, Evra, Vidic, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez; and when he has had a bit more money to spend (mostly self generated by selling players like RVN, Mikel, Smith, Richardson, Rossi, Heinz, Foster, Pique, Tosic, Howard, Neville, Ronaldo, Campbell, Eagles, O'Shea, Brown, Gibson) he has spent well on established players like Carrick, Valencia, Hargreaves (not his fault he got injured), Berbatov, and youngsters like De Gea, Jones, Smalling, Nani, Anderson.
I'd say his transfer record holds water compared to anyone, certainly in the English game.

[ericactor1]

You seem to have a problem with me question Fergies judgement window, I think I have a fair argument. I'm not saying his judgement is shocking and I understand that he has to take risks on young players but he seems to be bringing in a lot of young players who don't have the quality some who don't look anything remotely like a United type player.

We can use the example of Ronaldo but when he arrived at the club he always looked like he had special potential about him.

I am well aware of how transfers work, I know some players shine at other clubs our suits other clubs playing styles better.

Forlan is only one example of a player who didn't prove it at United on the big stage but went on to prove it on the big stage at another level.

Maybe its not just down to Fergie is scouting system could be poor too.

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Feb 22, 2012 22:51:44 GMT ericactor1 said:

I'm not saying his judgement is shocking and I understand that he has to take risks on young players but he seems to be bringing in a lot of young players who don't have the quality some who don't look anything remotely like a United type player.

Then you are questioning his judgement - whilst still not providing a manager that has a perfect transfer record.

What happens if we sign Gotze/Hazard/Neymar/etc and they turn out to be shite? Is that poor judgement on Fergies part? We all think they have what it takes, so what happens if it doesnt work out?

The same goes for young players - look at the youth team/reserves - you watch them play, see something in them that looks like it might work, so you give them a chance. Same goes for all the youngsters that Fergie has signed - they have been watched, looked like they had the potential to succeed, were bought, but for whatever reason didnt work out. Plenty have though.

So whats the happy medium? You seem to know how to spot a perfect player everytime. Else you wouldnt be saying Fergie makes more mistakes than he gets it right.

Maybe its not just down to Fergie is scouting system could be poor too.

The scouts only provide reports, Fergie will watch them himself before deciding. Theres only 1 scout that fergie would listen to without looking at a player himself and thats his brother. The coaches usually do some scouting too - Our Goalie coach had a look at De Gea several times, along with other players.

So yeah, maybe there are faults in the system, but, yet again - show us a club/manager that is perfect.

[Deleted]

Feb 22, 2012 20:50:04 GMT ScholesEvilTwin said:

I was a Smudger fan myself - always an under-rated player. A team cant be all full of superstars.




Or my personal fave:

my favorite United match after 99' ... we was just magical in that game. Carricks best performance in a United shirt and his 2nd goal was special