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Post by jimbonda on Jan 1, 2012 15:55:10 GMT
I just find it a bit strange that people are willing to write off De Gea and not give him time to develop, yet they'll happily beg for Pogba to be given a chance. IS the difference the fact that De Gea has had his chance? Is 6 months in a new country and a new club the cut off line? No wonder Fergie isn't willing to risk them, with such impatient fans judging every action of these youngsters. great point. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 1, 2012 17:19:52 GMT
I just find it a bit strange that people are willing to write off De Gea and not give him time to develop, yet they'll happily beg for Pogba to be given a chance. IS the difference the fact that De Gea has had his chance? Is 6 months in a new country and a new club the cut off line? No wonder Fergie isn't willing to risk them, with such impatient fans judging every action of these youngsters. great point. Agreed 100%. I would agree more, but anything above 100% isn't humanly possible. |
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Post by 7even on Jan 1, 2012 17:30:05 GMT
The question is Lindegaard or De Gea. My choice based off performances and until we get a bit of stability and rhythm back is Lindegaard.
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Post by mltezr on Jan 1, 2012 21:21:20 GMT
earlier in this thread i was all for de gea being our number one.
for me its which player do i feel more comfortable when i see their name on the team sheet. right now i actually feel more comfortable when i see lindegaards name.
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Post by moxdevil on Jan 1, 2012 21:59:40 GMT
If Lindegaard drops a booboo against Newcastle do people swing back to De Gea? Serious question.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 12:05:19 GMT
i can't believe how some people on here have written De Gea off, they talk as if he is this absolute shitter who can't do anything. let's all just ignore the top class shot stopping, the quality of his kicking and focus on the negatives in areas that a goalkeeper can't really get to grips with without time and experience. can't we just accept that this future gem of a keeper has X amount of mistakes in him while he's on the fast-track? Ferguson has, he didn't buy him expecting him to be flawless from the off. and if some people really think that he'll never be a good keeper that's pretty short-sighted, i'd love you to show me a goalkeeper that was a boss at 20 years old. overall i'd say De Gea deserves a lot of credit for how he's getting on - from what i've read on here i don't think many people really understand the magnitude of the task on his hands. replacing the worlds best keeper at a club the size of Manchester United, at the age of 20 years old with only a season of experience in another league before he's even finished growing or learning the language is mind boggling. let's throw one around his shoulders instead of the hard approach. Spot on mate, totally agree.Good point from Dan too.The lad does need a good dinner and to hit the weights but he will be top drawer, for now though he needs our support I think we rotated the GK`s in the wrong games over Christmas, DDG should have played V Wigan, who offer no aerial threat whereas BBurn rely on dead balls and are a real danger with Pedersons delivery and all the big CBs in their squad. |
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Post by ivan on Jan 3, 2012 8:21:36 GMT
I don't like De Gea from the start,I disliked idea of getting a goalkeeper who's 20 years of age for 18 mil.He's shot/stopper and nothing more.Lindegard is just better overall keeper.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 3, 2012 11:44:56 GMT
Its a difficult situation but let's not forget we're in a fortunate situation here. We have two very very talented keepers and, even though there seems to be a divide in opinion over who should start, this says alot.
I generally agree De Gea has been blessed with immense talent, probably alot more than Lindegaard. But right now, and this is by no means an insult to Lindegaard, the Dane might be more solid for a while. He's older and generally looks calmer, maybe because he's able to communicate better with his teamies? De Gea will be one of the best keepers in the world before he's 24, I think we're all aware of that so at the moment it's a horses for courses situation between the two. As was mentioned above. De Gea will make mistakes but, more importantly, those mistakes will decrease drastically over time.
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 3, 2012 12:27:30 GMT
Its a difficult situation but let's not forget we're in a fortunate situation here. We have two very very talented keepers and, even though there seems to be a divide in opinion over who should start, this says alot. I generally agree De Gea has been blessed with immense talent, probably alot more than Lindegaard. But right now, and this is by no means an insult to Lindegaard, the Dane might be more solid for a while. He's older and generally looks calmer, maybe because he's able to communicate better with his teamies? De Gea will be one of the best keepers in the world before he's 24, I think we're all aware of that so at the moment it's a horses for courses situation between the two. As was mentioned above. De Gea will make mistakes but, more importantly, those mistakes will decrease drastically over time. good post |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 3, 2012 16:43:23 GMT
I just find it a bit strange that people are willing to write off De Gea and not give him time to develop, yet they'll happily beg for Pogba to be given a chance. IS the difference the fact that De Gea has had his chance? Is 6 months in a new country and a new club the cut off line? No wonder Fergie isn't willing to risk them, with such impatient fans judging every action of these youngsters. Good point. I think people have convinced themselves that they will become Keane and Scholes the minute they set foot on the pitch and won't actually make mistakes or struggle. De Gea was poor the other night and cost us a point, maybe 3. He's probably earned us at least that already this season and over the course of his career will earn us far more points than he'll cost. The lad's young, inexperienced at this level and style of football so he's unsurprisingly making mistakes. I'm really not sure why people think that spending 18m on a player makes him the finished article. Would Casillas cost 18m? Buffon? Even the likes of Cech, Cesar, Hart? Would you have sold VDS last season for 18m? Bayern spent that much on Neuer even though they basically have first dibs on any German player available or not. We've clearly bought for the long term, and expect De Gea to be our keeper for many years to come. Obviously there will be some mistakes as he learns a new style of football, a new language, a new culture both club and country, and faces new challenges. Have we become a club that pays lip service to its history and traditions (like bringing through youth) but is really about winning at all costs? De Gea isn't perfect at the moment, but chances are he probably will be in the near future. When that happens some of you will end up looking foolish. |
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Post by WillieRedNut on Jan 3, 2012 17:45:43 GMT
De gea in the long term will be our number 1. Anders is looking the more stable keepr atm, though. De gea hasn't been helped by all the chopping changing at the back. Replacing VDS was never gonna be easy. Like replacing big Pete, it took Fergie a long time to get that position sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 18:20:27 GMT
De gea in the long term will be our number 1. Anders is looking the more stable keepr atm, though. De gea hasn't been helped by all the chopping changing at the back. Replacing VDS was never gonna be easy. Like replacing big Pete, it took Fergie a long time to get that position sorted. The problem with most people is they expect changes over night, was the same when we lost the big dane, when we lost ronaldo. These things take time, Its not a simple case of transfering to a differenct club here. The advantage we had with VDS was we had him from an english club we havent had that with the young lad, De Gea has to learn more than just saving a football, hes gotta learn the language, learn to command his area more and with the language that will come, his strength in the air is his main downside atm but he will learn, and at the age of 20 is a lot to take on at a club that expects the best. Fergie would not have taken that much of a gamble on a youngster if he wasnt sure he could produce an end product Yes hes got these areas to improve on but when he gets there and he will then I hope theres a thread named "i told you so". |
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Post by ericactor1 on Jan 3, 2012 19:03:42 GMT
I wonder who Fergie will start tomorrow night, will he have the balls to drop De Gea and go with Linders?
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Post by 7even on Jan 3, 2012 21:01:02 GMT
Eventually as big a legend as VDS?
De Gea;
“Hopefully, I will equal or even surpass the performance and contribution he made to the club,” said de Gea. “Let’s face it, all goalkeepers make mistakes once in a while and none of us like it when we do. Errors happen, but I’ve gone on to be more confident in myself and I think things are going well now. I think it is fair to say La Liga and the Premier League are the two best leagues in the world and in that sense they’re very similar, they’re at a similar level. But it is well known that the style of play here is rather more physical and as a goalkeeper you’ve got to be right on it, you’ve got to be attentive all through the match. The players coming at you can shoot from any angle and they can shoot from distance – you need to be aware that you might get a shot from distance at any time. Having said that, there’s also a lot of crosses from the sides, a lot of high balls and aerial play. You’ve got to be able to get in there and block, interfere and stop shots being taken. I knew when I was coming to United that this was the style of play I was coming into, so I was pretty much ready and I was already confident when I came. I knew I’d need to train a lot, which I do, I concentrate a lot on blocking shots. As a goalkeeper I try to improve in all areas of my game. It’s varied and I want to do my best.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 21:12:06 GMT
Eventually as big a legend as VDS? De Gea; “Hopefully, I will equal or even surpass the performance and Âcontribution he made to the club,†said de Gea. “Let’s face it, all goalkeepers make mistakes once in a while and none of us like it when we do. Errors happen, but I’ve gone on to be more confident in myself and I think things are going well now. I think it is fair to say La Liga and the Premier League are the two best leagues in the world and in that sense they’re very similar, they’re at a Âsimilar level. But it is well known that the style of play here is rather more physical and as a goalkeeper you’ve got to be right on it, you’ve got to be attentive all through the match. The players coming at you can shoot from any Âangle and they can shoot from distance – you need to be aware that you might get a shot from distance at any time. Having said that, there’s also a lot of crosses from the sides, a lot of high balls and aerial play. You’ve got to be able to get in there and block, Âinterfere and stop shots Âbeing taken. I knew when I was coming to United that this was the style of play I was coming into, so I was pretty much ready and I was already Âconfident when I came. I knew I’d need to train a lot, which I do, I concentrate a lot on blocking shots. As a goalkeeper I try to improve in all areas of my game. It’s varied and I want to do my best. You trying to write in hieroglyphics or sumthin now  |
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