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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 17:45:18 GMT
I agree with jimbonda in that Giggs still has a role to play but Ferguson is overusing him and that's what's causing the problem. Bring him on from the bench to use his experience and calm things down, sure, but don't start him in big games with Carrick and Scholes. Never gonna work. And it's also a bit harsh on young players like Cleverley who consistently impress for us when picked. Even Anderson arguably deserved a start after his performance midweek. That said, Nani worse than Giggs? Not having that. Sorry mate but on current form Nani is the worst player in the squad. I'm not saying in general, but in terms of how much we expect from each player. To explain it a bit better..... Giggs we don't expect much from these days so him being terrible isn't that great a deal. Hes 38 years old so hes not going to have the impact he once had. Nani on the other hand is 25 and we expect a lot from him so when he plays like he has this season is fucking frustrating, hes been shite from the off and its not on. That's how I make my theory that hes worse. Because we expect more. The big problem with the squad and the team isn't down to just Giggsy, to suggest that is fucking ludicris. Balls to it lets blame him for 9/11 and the last Tsunami while were at it. Its down to him being over used. THAT isn't his fault. That's down to the person picking the side. If we bought a decent Mid we wouldn't be in the position. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Oct 2, 2012 4:30:09 GMT
The major problem with us is tactical and coaching-injury tendencies.
The other, unrelated problems are (1) starting Giggs - who still can impact from the bench, and to a lesser extent (2) an off-form Nani - who will regain form and (3) Evra's declining defensive capabilities and (4) we still require a box-box midfielder for any strategy.
I think calling for Nani's head is a bit short-sighted. It's only 6 games into the premier league, at least wait till January.
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Post by mightyez on Oct 2, 2012 6:39:31 GMT
personally i think the impact and role giggs is the way he keeps himself fit.
he shouldnt be starting and we have enough players thats should be able to step up than have him even come off the bench.
if its centrally then youngsters like petrucci deserve a chance, on the wing, there is brady, nani, valencia young granted injured but kagawa can play there so much cover.
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 2, 2012 7:00:24 GMT
Compare an Inform Nani to a Inform Bale. Bale might have a more technical shot whereas an inform nani can play a deadly ball in the box or slash a shot far post with precision.
If Nani was British he would get much more praise across the board. Fact of the matter is hes out of form, has been, and may not fix it. But at his best(Nani that is), Bale doesnt offer us anything to rave about that Nani cant. IMO
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Post by karthy on Oct 2, 2012 8:02:22 GMT
Bale is over prices that's all , he offers good pace something every United fan attributes to a winger , I haven't seen Bale defend that great and we shouldn't forget he was or started as a LB and then by "oversight " arry played in the wingers role from where he has flourished.
I am not gonna compare Bale and Nani as i think they are way different ,just that if he wasn't from Spurs and was valued at anywhere between 15-20 Million then we'd definitely have bought him.
Some of the comments could also be cos people think he is a natural successor to Giggs which IMO is an insult to Giggs , granted Giggs is playing well these days ( if he starts) and i have been among the ones who has suggested that he retire or is best served coming of bench ( not his fault if he gets picked for starting XI BTW)
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Post by Bestie on Oct 14, 2012 9:41:32 GMT
(Because it's basically Bale transfer talk anyway.) You only watch him 2 weeks out of every 14 or what? lol. bit of backtracking cos he wound you up at old trafford a few weeks ago Eh, no sunshine. When it comes to Bale, I've always been up and down. Which is interesting because in 2012, so has his form. PLus, this season he has been a dick with the diving/cheating/general twattery. And redcase is right, we usually deal well with him, Rafa normally has a spot reserved in his back pocket. I'd have him here, without question, but mostly because his hype would bring added fear factor to our squad. He wouldn't be a star-man for us, like I said before, Bale would come in to our second-tier. Level with Nani for e.g. but not in Rooney's or RvP's league in terms of impact. Maybe in future he would be genuinely unreal, but that isn't nailed on at all. the Boss described him as one who got away. He doesn't talk that way about ordinary players and rarely says it of special players for that matter. When? |
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Post by fletchabey on Oct 14, 2012 9:54:02 GMT
I don't know when he said that, but I'm pretty sure Fergie has said something like that about Bale. Signing him for £10mill in hindsight would have been a no-brainer. It happens though, as Fergie said recently we could have signed Hart some years ago for 600k. Quite a big difference between that and the £35-40mill he'd probably cost now, but I'm not saying that his value. He does strike me as a player Fergie would like to have. If he'd been at a club we actually want to deal with maybe it would have happened.
Just hasn't done enough to justify the hype for me. And for me there maybe the (unnecessary) worry a player like him will eventually suffer muscle injuries and lose half a yard (like Owen). I'm not convinced he has £30mill worth of talent beyond his pace.
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 14, 2012 10:08:08 GMT
it's something i heard, i'm thinking around the time of the tottenham game. first relevant result in a quick google search is from the Metro: "Speaking ahead of United's trip to Spurs on Sunday, the veteran boss said: 'We tried to sign him as a 17-year-old boy. They [Southampton] had a Scottish chief executive and George Burley was the manager and they didn't accept our offer. .'I think they must have alerted Tottenham. I don't know the full circumstances. We made a good offer but they turned it down." . www.metro.co.uk/sport/852750-sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united-failed-with-gareth-bale-transfer-bid#ixzz29GaV6SGe |
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 14, 2012 10:11:18 GMT
I'm not convinced he has £30mill worth of talent beyond his pace. there is so much more to his game than pace. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 14, 2012 11:02:56 GMT
No there really isn't jimbo. His most consistent ability is great pace. He has a great shot on him too but that is a prerequisite for any good player.
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Post by tommyred on Oct 14, 2012 11:03:17 GMT
Be honest though after the hatrick in the San Siro and all that you'd have expected him to be better than this by now.
He hasn't really pushed on and become the player people thought he would. Not yet anyway.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 14, 2012 11:41:29 GMT
it's something i heard, i'm thinking around the time of the tottenham game. first relevant result in a quick google search is from the Metro: "Speaking ahead of United's trip to Spurs on Sunday, the veteran boss said: 'We tried to sign him as a 17-year-old boy. They [Southampton] had a Scottish chief executive and George Burley was the manager and they didn't accept our offer. .'I think they must have alerted Tottenham. I don't know the full circumstances. We made a good offer but they turned it down." . www.metro.co.uk/sport/852750-sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united-failed-with-gareth-bale-transfer-bid#ixzz29GaV6SGeYeah, so he didn't say AT ALL that Bale was "the one that got away". Sure Shearer and Gazza are the only two the Gaffer has ever considered bidding for twice. That's what I thought. Although perhaps he did say it somewhere else, but I doubt it. |
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Post by moxdevil on Oct 14, 2012 12:23:13 GMT
Reading some of the comments you'd think people were writing about Aaron Lennon and not somebody that was player of the year 2 years ago and was in the Uefa team of the year. I cannot think of too many footballers that can single-handedly take a team apart.
Anderson got a song just for keeping one player quiet half a decade ago so we clearly aren't all so reluctant to give credit to a player.
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Post by redcase on Oct 14, 2012 12:55:01 GMT
Reading some of the comments you'd think people were writing about Aaron Lennon and not somebody that was player of the year 2 years ago and was in the Uefa team of the year. I cannot think of too many footballers that can single-handedly take a team apart. Anderson got a song just for keeping one player quiet half a decade ago so we clearly aren't all so reluctant to give credit to a player. One team. He took one team apart. A team managed by a tactically useless fat waiter who used an ageing Brazilian all wrong on Bale's wing. I am waiting for an encore. And Scotland day before doesn't count. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 14, 2012 12:58:02 GMT
Reading some of the comments you'd think people were writing about Aaron Lennon and not somebody that was player of the year 2 years ago and was in the Uefa team of the year. I cannot think of too many footballers that can single-handedly take a team apart. Anderson got a song just for keeping one player quiet half a decade ago so we clearly aren't all so reluctant to give credit to a player. Somewhat ironically, Nani should have won it that year. Bale didn't deserve it. Also, Scott Parker was voted footballer of the year recently as well. It doesn't always indicate the best players. |
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