Modric

[jimbonda]

Jul 13, 2012 21:20:17 GMT Raf's Hairdryer Treatment said:

Personally think he's a better player without Scholes in the team. He makes an interception or receives a pass, and his first thought is; "Where's Paul?" then hands it off. Never looks anywhere else, like he's used to handing over creative responsibilities.

i don't agree with this, it's a common opinion but i think it's wrong. carrick always looks more assured to me when the prince is next to him. (who wouldn't be). and i think it's unfair to say he only ever looks for scholesy

[Raf's Hairdryer Treatment]

Jul 13, 2012 21:32:41 GMT jimbonda said:

Jul 13, 2012 21:20:17 GMT Raf's Hairdryer Treatment said:

Personally think he's a better player without Scholes in the team. He makes an interception or receives a pass, and his first thought is; "Where's Paul?" then hands it off. Never looks anywhere else, like he's used to handing over creative responsibilities.

i don't agree with this, it's a common opinion but i think it's wrong. carrick always looks more assured to me when the prince is next to him. (who wouldn't be). and i think it's unfair to say he only ever looks for scholesy

I've seen it happen a hell of a lot Jim. I never like to over simplify but with Carrick it's hard not to. I see Carrick as a potential box to box midfielder, who's been pigeonholed into a role where he makes less of an impact in games, and is becoming more and more comfortable in it.

Think he could grab games by the scruff of the neck more like he did against Wigan last December. Played out of position but still looking for the ball, he was a joy to watch. Bossed the game from deep.

[fletchabey]

Jul 13, 2012 21:32:41 GMT jimbonda said:

Jul 13, 2012 21:20:17 GMT Raf's Hairdryer Treatment said:

Personally think he's a better player without Scholes in the team. He makes an interception or receives a pass, and his first thought is; "Where's Paul?" then hands it off. Never looks anywhere else, like he's used to handing over creative responsibilities.

i don't agree with this, it's a common opinion but i think it's wrong. carrick always looks more assured to me when the prince is next to him. (who wouldn't be). and i think it's unfair to say he only ever looks for scholesy

Nope that has been true in the past, last season was probably their most convincing together, other times have been less so. To be honest if I could be bothered to look for them there are some quotes from Fergie alluding to it, saying how Carrick had taken on more responsibility after Scholes had retired.

[Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army]

Jul 13, 2012 16:40:24 GMT redcase said:

I think he was being sarcastic.

Cheers.

[jimbonda]

Jul 13, 2012 21:56:30 GMT Raf's Hairdryer Treatment said:

Jul 13, 2012 21:32:41 GMT jimbonda said:

i don't agree with this, it's a common opinion but i think it's wrong. carrick always looks more assured to me when the prince is next to him. (who wouldn't be). and i think it's unfair to say he only ever looks for scholesy

I've seen it happen a hell of a lot Jim. I never like to over simplify but with Carrick it's hard not to. I see Carrick as a potential box to box midfielder, who's been pigeonholed into a role where he makes less of an impact in games, and is becoming more and more comfortable in it.

Think he could grab games by the scruff of the neck more like he did against Wigan last December. Played out of position but still looking for the ball, he was a joy to watch. Bossed the game from deep.

carricks not aggressive enough to play box to box. it's just not his nature. he's a very cool laid back guy and it shows in his game. he's not one of those players who will 'grab a game by the scruff'. looking at some of his best games, he's just read the game like a beaut and been great on the ball

[Bestie]

Carrick can play that way, yes he's laid back but he can boss games like Scholes used to. Carrick doesn't get enough credit for reigning himself in so much to fulfil the role we want him to play.

[jimbonda]

he doesn't do it by being aggressive, going box to box, shouting at people, crunching in the tackles or whatever else people usually mean by 'taking the game by the scruff'. that was my point.

i think it's a bit of a myth that he's reigned himself in at united. people seem to make out he was like gerrard or essien when he played at spurs and he just wasn't at all.

[mightyez]

i agree with that 100% jim, he was never that type of player

[Bestie]

Carrick often played a lot further forward for both West Ham and Spurs, is all I'm saying. He had much more licence to attack with purpose, rather than as a decoy who's ready to sit back again in at any moment.

[sleel6]

Jul 12, 2012 21:16:11 GMT Tatty said:

Anderson, in his first full season helped us win a European Cup and the Premier League bossing midfields all round Europe. Modric in 5 years at Spurs won approximately, diddly squat and bossed no midfields. I'm sticking with my point about Anderson.

Yeah, and Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes were still all in front of him in the pecking order. To say he is a better player than Modric is daft.

[ginger18legend]

Revisiting an old point on this thread. Some stats for anyone who is interested.
www.eplindex.com/16521/mercurial-luka-modric-play-makers-compared.html?

Conclusive proof that Modric does indeed play deeper than most think and isn't so poor after all.

[tommyred]

Modric is good but he's Madrid bound and we need more of an enforcer anyway.

An enforcer who can play a bit too.

[Raf's Hairdryer Treatment]

Jul 14, 2012 19:09:37 GMT jimbonda said:

he doesn't do it by being aggressive, going box to box, shouting at people, crunching in the tackles or whatever else people usually mean by 'taking the game by the scruff'. that was my point.

i think it's a bit of a myth that he's reigned himself in at united. people seem to make out he was like gerrard or essien when he played at spurs and he just wasn't at all.

Fair play. Not the 'taking the game by the scruff' player. But without turning this into a semantic argument I stand by my sentiment that he's capable of bossing games.

[jimbonda]

yeah i don't necessarily disagree. a player of his type can boss a game by basically having it all his way when he's pulling the strings without the opposition being able to stop him. it doesn't have to be a blood and snotter who bosses a game

[Tatty]

So, he's refusing to train with the squad.

Where's all the posts calling him a cunt?