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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 30, 2013 15:13:53 GMT
SET are you referring to me here?
Wide of the mark with your assessment if so.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 30, 2013 15:14:38 GMT
No, bestie.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 30, 2013 15:19:29 GMT
Yeah, I wondered that too. SET mate, I was actually just defending jay being disappointed on this one. I don't really mind if we haven't gone for Wanyama. I even said that it's one of those occasions where we know the Gaffer has has a serious look at it, and decided against it.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 30, 2013 15:20:24 GMT
Struth! Stroots it is then. EDIT: In fairness, the Gaffer knows about him, we've had a look at him, and apparently Sir Alex/Martin doesn't think he is good enough. This is one of those times you can't complain that we haven't at least considered a particular player for a particular position.  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 30, 2013 15:25:09 GMT
Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, i know where you are coming from - it is a pisser that we haven't bought in a player that we obviously need.
But there is obviously a reason for it too - one we will never be privy to unless someone inside leaks it to the press.
The fact we are looking at these types of players is encouraging. Why we aren't bidding/buying is another story.
I still think its down to the owners & what fergie calls "value" - under the current regime it's not good enough that the player is just what the team needs. The player needs to be of commercial value to the club - amongst other things. RVP is. Wanyama? Possibly not.
EDIT - when did you edit that post? Saw the original but Missed that.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 30, 2013 15:31:31 GMT
Exactly, I'm relieved we seem to be taking a serious look at some grittier midfield options, whatever reasons for not going for those players in the final shake-up is another matter.
I edited just after whoever posted after me, had posted. Didn't want to double post and was adding that during the next guy's replying, well you know how it goes.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 30, 2013 15:33:38 GMT
Sorry mate.
Dont know which one id rather though - Strootman or Wanyama?
Bring in Gotze & Neymar and to hell with defending!
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 30, 2013 15:39:57 GMT
Sorry mate. Dont know which one id rather though - Strootman or Wanyama? Bring in Gotze & Neymar and to hell with defending!That's what I want! Let's go a 4-3-3 with wing backs as well! #devilbanana# |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 30, 2013 15:40:33 GMT
I've been knocking on about Strootman and Wanyama as they seem to be the type of players we're looking at. Mainly they wouldn't cost an arm and a leg, they can do some sort of defensive shift whilst offering mobility and penetration from the back. I would love Strootman in the summer, though I reckon I'm going to put that hope to bed.
The annoying part is we're Manchester United, if there's a problem in the squad we should be able to fix it outright, not haggle around and leave things until every single person who knows anything about football can spot the shortcomings. It's been so obvious for ages that we're short in midfield, yet that's as far as it goes. It might just be SAF who doesn't want to bring in a player that disturbs the aura within the camp, who knows.
If we sign a midfielder, great. If not, meh.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 30, 2013 15:55:43 GMT
The annoying part is we're Manchester United, if there's a problem in the squad we should be able to fix it outright, not haggle around Have to pay back the debt ya know  If you look in the Glazer thread you will find there are people happy with the owners and the restrictions placed on the club due to this debt. We have had our big spend for a couple seasons now - RVP & Zaha. Any midfielders will have to cost no more than 6/7 mill - maybe 10mill tops. Good luck with that. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 30, 2013 15:55:48 GMT
strootman is just a myth in the media at this point. they claimed he was the next roy keane at first. and the speculation that we were getting him has never gone away.
in the mean time, full-time dutch footall pundits and ex-players were laughing off the comparison with keane. some said he wasn't ready for england and a club the size of united. some also said he wasn't even very good.
wanyama had a good game against barcelona but why is that enough to convince people on him? he's young and i can understand a 'he's worth a punt' attitude but i don't get the conviction people have when they are calling for him to be bought.
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Post by Bestie on Jan 30, 2013 15:58:36 GMT
Sorry mate. Dont know which one id rather though - Strootman or Wanyama? Bring in Gotze & Neymar and to hell with defending! Nee bother. I'd take Strootman. I was never over-keen on Wanyama, as I rarely am with potential signings from the SPL. The hype/reports of big performances against Barca had me curious though. I'm not actually not sure either is what we really need. Just play Jones in there, I thnk it could work. Plus, then we could keep splurging money of terrifying the shit out of defenses Worldwide. I've been knocking on about Strootman and Wanyama as they seem to be the type of players we're looking at. Mainly they wouldn't cost an arm and a leg, they can do some sort of defensive shift whilst offering mobility and penetration from the back. I would love Strootman in the summer, though I reckon I'm going to put that hope to bed. The annoying part is we're Manchester United, if there's a problem in the squad we should be able to fix it outright, not haggle around and leave things until every single person who knows anything about football can spot the shortcomings. It's been so obvious for ages that we're short in midfield, yet that's as far as it goes. It might just be SAF who doesn't want to bring in a player that disturbs the aura within the camp, who knows. If we sign a midfielder, great. If not, meh. I grinned like a 14 year old child at that. Oh, the immaturity. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 30, 2013 16:04:12 GMT
Jones could do a good shift there in fairness. If he is given a chance and not moved to right back the next week, then centre back the week after and then back to right back and then back to centre mid
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 30, 2013 16:13:05 GMT
Just play Jones in there, I thnk it could work. you've been adamant he's a midfielder for a while now. what's softened your stance? could it be this: www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/28/manchester-united-phil-jones-centre-back  for the record i don't disagree he can do a job in midfield with the right selection around him, he may well end up with a number of games in midfield under his belt by the time he finishes playing. i liken him to ledley king though, another center back some argued should play in midfield. good player, good athlete, not at all wasted at center half. we'll have to see but i think he's going to be a monster at the back for club and country. |
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Post by Bestie on Jan 30, 2013 16:28:52 GMT
Just play Jones in there, I thnk it could work. you've been adamant he's a midfielder for a while now. what's softened your stance? could it be this: www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/28/manchester-united-phil-jones-centre-back for the record i don't disagree he can do a job in midfield with the right selection around him, he may well end up with a number of games in midfield under his belt by the time he finishes playing. i liken him to ledley king though, another center back some argued should play in midfield. good player, good athlete, not at all wasted at center half. we'll have to see but i think he's going to be a monster at the back for club and country. My wanting/being convinved the best place is Jonesy in midfield really comes down to three things: 1) JEvans and Smalling are too good not to be our number one and two centre-back pairing. Like, crazy good, both of them. 2) Jones is a Punisher. Hard in the tackle, powerful running with the ball, technically more than just proficient. 3) We lack a Punisher in midfield. He may think his best position is in defence, but at one time Rio thought his best position was centre firewood, so players don't know sh!t! He says he can read the game better back there and understands it better, but of course he does. He's played there most of his career. Midfield nouse would come with time, he's a sharp boy and will learn. If he's as good in there now, imagine how ridiculously good he could be if he fully understands the position! I'm also a big fan of Jones and Smalling playing together as CBs for England, and us being able to capitalise on that understanding between them to get us defending higher up the pitch with Jones in front and JEvans and Smalling behind him. |
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