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Post by tommyred on Feb 21, 2013 19:14:46 GMT
I think it's a combination of the two. Let me ask you something, when United lose to "lesser" opposition are you on here saying "fair play, we did everything we could, they were just better than us". No you're not. Because we're better than them, so we have to do something wrong for them to beat us. I already said I'm in no way trying to discredit Milan, and it was their hard work and organisation (and composure in attack) which turned a slight off day for Barca into a shock 2-0 loss, and very possibly, elimination from the tournament (though I still think Barca can do it). Most of the time, no, of course not. But at least sometimes we all hold our hands up and say we were beaten by the better side. 2009 European Cup final comes to mind. If we had lost to say, Southampton a few weeks ago, we couldn't have complained, as they out-played us completely. The other point to do with that is apparently Milan, or Dortmund, are all so inferior sides that they are equated to "lesser" opposition we face. You are still saying that A. C. Milan wouldn't have beaten Barcelona if they hadn't been lucky enough to catch Barca having an off day. And that's still just silly. Teams can force bad days. Any team can out-think, out-prepare, and out-organise any other. That's football. No team, is immune to that. Not even the media-beloved Barcelona. Why are you mentioning the 2009 final when I'm talking about us vs lesser sides? It's not necessarily lucky to catch Barca on an off day. Teams have them, it's about how well you are prepared. I'd be more willing to praise Milan than criticise Barca, but at the same time I recognise Barca weren't at their best. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 19:17:10 GMT
Ronaldo is better than Messi anyway
#banana#
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Post by Bestie on Feb 21, 2013 19:19:29 GMT
I mentioned the Travesty of Rome because I was talking about holding your hands up when beaten by a better team on the night. I wasn't calling Barca a lesser side, sorry to be ambiguous.
And what you are saying must be luck. Otherwise, no matter how well prepared a team is, your stance is they still won't beat an on-the-ball Barcelona.
vs. Chelsea - 72% possession. 660 completed passes (85% success rate). 22 shots. "Off-colour"?
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Post by Bestie on Feb 21, 2013 19:20:09 GMT
Ronaldo is better than Messi anyway #banana# #thumb# #banana# #dance# #cheers# |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 19:23:17 GMT
Its like the game for us against Spurs, I've not seen such a one sided 2nd half for a long time, we didn't take our chances therefore we lost. Possession aint feck all unless you use it, and by using it I don't mean pass the ball a million times to make the stats look good.
The only stat that matters is the scoreboard, if you don't win on that then the rest mean jack shit.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 21, 2013 19:26:26 GMT
We had "an off day".
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Post by jimbonda on Feb 21, 2013 19:48:02 GMT
Barca had 72.5% posession but could do fuck all with it cos Milan knew how to close the space down and stop them playing their usual game. If you think that's down to Barca having an off day rather than Milan figuring out how to stop them then fine. But it proves how far you 2 are up Barca's arse. you've missed the point son |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 21, 2013 19:56:27 GMT
Not really.
I watched a game where Milan had done their homework and knew how to nullify Barca's passing game thus restricting The Best Team in the World © to 1 shot on target, while at the other end they took their limited chances.
You watched the game and obviously went " we are The Best Team in the World © and can never be beaten, so we must have been having a bad day as that's the only way we The Best Team in the World © can EVER be beaten"
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Post by jimbonda on Feb 21, 2013 20:08:42 GMT
point is if barca are on top of their game no tactics are going to stop them, and they'd have beaten milan last night. they weren't on top of their game by any means, and milan were good enough to exploit it.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 21, 2013 21:00:36 GMT
you've missed the point sonHA! Jog on you complete nugget. Calling SET "son", what the bleeding Christ are you on. Nice put down, clown-face  . Ash, you may go sit in the corner facing the wall, you have been told, served, and merked. Also royally dressed down. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 21, 2013 21:05:51 GMT
Haha stand down Bestie. Its ok.
I've had worse.
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Post by tommyred on Feb 21, 2013 21:07:12 GMT
you've missed the point sonHA! Jog on you complete nugget. Calling SET "son", what the bleeding Christ are you on. Nice put down, clown-face. Ash, you may go sit in the corner facing the wall, you have been told, served, and merked. Also royally dressed down. U mad bro? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 21:11:00 GMT
Come on ladies be nice  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 21, 2013 21:14:55 GMT
Besides, i was busy arranging a new Nobel Prize for Barca for being so fantastic as to condescending to let us mere mortals win every now and then.
No wonder Chelsea were so thrilled in May. They realised just how lucky they really were. Not cos they beat a German team on penalties, but cos Barca let them win in the semis.
We need to get a statue erected at OT to Barca for letting us beat them in 2008.
How their fans can bear to watch the rest of the shite teams that make up world football i will never understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 21:21:31 GMT
I can see what both camps are getting at. Yes, you do need Barca to under perform to beat them, however "Luck" insinuates that it's all about Barca and not the team they're playing, whereas the likes of Milan, Inter, Celtic and Chelsea (thinking of '09 not last season, even though they lost) had made Barca under perform due to their own performance, so lucky is a bit of an insult to them
Sure if the first comment to Allegri in his press conference yesterday was "Wow, you must feel so lucky that Barcelona played bad eh?" He would have been pretty pissed off. They under performed because Milan forced them to under perform.
An analogy (albeit a bit of a crap one) would be like sidling up to the hottest bird in the bar and asking her out. She says yes your mates are naturally gonna go straight to the "Lucky twat" line. (unless anyone on here is a handsome devil and this is a regular occurance, in which case, fuck you and the horse you rode in on). Compared to knowing the hottest bird around and spending weeks asking questions about her to people who know, her taste in men, her favourite drink, does she know how hot she is or one of these birds who doubts herself, does she like to be chased, is it better to chat to her mates and ignore her, etc, etc, etc. Then, asking her out knowing all you know and having her say yes. It's not luck (or at least it's not just luck) if she says yes, you've done your homework on her and know everything about her, now fill yer boots (and who cares if it's stalking, thats for the courts to decide).
There is a gameplan to beat Barca, the teams that have have all done it the same way, and they can be forced to play below their best due to the opposition tactics. Obviously this tactic isn't going to always work, else they would never win a game, but it will a few times a season. Just not doing any work on the way they play and going out without a plan is not going to see them lose a game all year.
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