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Post by Bestie on Jun 13, 2013 14:21:55 GMT
Whoops, meant "performance-enhancement". Not equals.
Well a few of us have said that what's illegal in sports should be considered illegal when people are playing that sport. In fact, I'm pretty sure someone has said an opinion on every topic ever conceived. Best just pack up the internet, as one case being made on a topic once means there is no need for anyone else to debate that subject ever again.
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Post by ginger18legend on Jun 13, 2013 14:26:56 GMT
Well, clearly the WADA don't share the view of the few who support your claim or else Messi would have been banned from playing the game years ago.
That is of course unless you're suggesting WADA is influenced by Barcelona as well..
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Post by Bestie on Jun 13, 2013 14:32:23 GMT
Your all as bitter as ginger flavoured lemonade. If he played for united you'd offer your wifes to Messi. Repeating this in this thread seems easier: For me, it's in this order: - Everything I am about to write will be cried down by anyone who strongly disagrees as my being bitter. It's just so impossible for anyone to dislike Barcelona for any other reasons than bitterness and jealousy at their success. - The football they play. - They cheat just as much, if not more than, the worst kinds of cheats. The Carvalho's and Pepe's of the game are no worse than the like of Pique or Alves or Busquets. Busquets in my opinion is the most anti-football footballer ever. Good player, but a complete cheat and an enemy of the game. The 'divers' of world football, like Di Maria and Suarez are matched by the likes of Pedro and Sanchez. - The media frenzy about Barca. This is tied to both the above points. Not only do the media hump them and laud their type of football as "the greatest ever in the history of the world ever ever ever with no room for exception (well, maybe Brazil 1970 come second)". It is (WAS?) winning football, not brilliant, nor particularly entertaining football, most of the time. The media continue to totally gloss over 'the dark side' of Barcelona's tactics. The shoulder-blocks just off the ball; the nips at the ankle when a player gets away from them; the "accidental" handball's in the box; the feigning injury; the rampant diving; the genuine intimidation of referees. - Messi. He's in a class all by himself when it comes to being media darling. Literally nothing bad he does gets sensationalised or pounced upon, but when he does something brilliant then it's Genius. No room for question, he's greatest ever. e. g. He goes past three players and chips the goalkeeper. Excellent goal, great football? Absolutely. But no mention in the review of the three non-challenges because the defenders stood off him, nor that the goalkeeper came out and got too low too early leaving himself no chance. Messi goes down easily just like anyone else when it suits him but apparently 'he doesn't dive'. He rolls over like anyone else, but 'never feigns an injury'. - The hypocrisy of all of it. Barcelona are a great, great football club. Their current generation play a successful brand of football. When they get finished with the 7351 build-up passes, and tiki-taka the last three passes through a defence, I want to applaud. They are bloody good. They don't need to cheat, or the perceived help from referees and governing bodies. They don't need their brilliance shoved down our throats by the media because if you appreciate football you can appreciate the brilliance of those final few cutting passes. I just wish they didn't feel the need to bore teams into submission before executing the final three passes. And I wish I didn't have to read, see, and listen to how everything leading up to those final three passes were the most sensational thing since the invention of goalposts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 15:24:23 GMT
Fair play Paul. No issue with people hating Barca's style of play, but that's a different issue altogether. ''Inch high pill popper'' is where the hate is. The HGH doping claims (which only exist on fan forums, a la 'FA loves United') are frankly baseless. The inch high remark was meant to be taken in humour  as said I don't hate him he aint a dipper, just dont think of him as highly as others do. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jun 13, 2013 20:16:58 GMT
Nobody would doubt the contribution of players like xavi and iniesta to barcelona's success but Messi has been the difference for them on so many occasions with some piece of genius. He's not a drug cheat and to accuse him of treatment most people get with that condition is abit harsh. No drug in the world can give a footballer that kind of skill, no drug can give someone that sort of perfect balance its genetic folks. Its nothing to do with drugs and it makes people who suggest otherwise sound like right bitters. We hold Ronaldo on this pedestal as united supporters but facts are facts, he outscores Ronaldo constantly every season which is phenomenal considering how good Ronaldo is at scoring goals. Messi is easily one of the greatest players who's ever laced boots.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 6:26:38 GMT
The difference with Messi and other people who need to take HGH is that most people generally don't have Barcelona paying for the treatment.
Barcelona didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts. They did it because they saw a wonderfully gifted youngster and thought "Wow, he's damn good. But apparently he won't grow beyond 5 feet? So he won't be physically able to play this sport? Well, we'll just give him enough drugs until he CAN physically play the sport. Jobs a good 'un"
I don't see how there's a debate. If you cannot compete in a sport unless you take illegal drugs to make you do so, then you cannot compete in the sport. End of argument.
If you need steriods to play a game, then you cannot play the game. Because you now have an unfair advantage over everyone else.
He was born with an unfair disadvantage though, and the drugs levelled the field. OK, I'd love to be an Olympic sprinter but I was born white and slow, that's a disadvantage. So, I'll take enough drugs until I can run as fast as those fast black men. I'm only levelling the field. Why should I not be able to follow my sporting dream just because of the way I was born?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 7:07:49 GMT
Overlooking the obvious messi being a drug using hobbit, yet giant sized berk, he generally is a little twat in 'real' life. The amount of players that he's forced out of the club is scandalous.
Ibra being the most notable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 7:09:46 GMT
The difference with Messi and other people who need to take HGH is that most people generally don't have Barcelona paying for the treatment. Barcelona didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts. They did it because they saw a wonderfully gifted youngster and thought "Wow, he's damn good. But apparently he won't grow beyond 5 feet? So he won't be physically able to play this sport? Well, we'll just give him enough drugs until he CAN physically play the sport. Jobs a good 'un" I don't see how there's a debate. If you cannot compete in a sport unless you take illegal drugs to make you do so, then you cannot compete in the sport. End of argument. If you need steriods to play a game, then you cannot play the game. Because you now have an unfair advantage over everyone else. He was born with an unfair disadvantage though, and the drugs levelled the field. OK, I'd love to be an Olympic sprinter but I was born white and slow, that's a disadvantage. So, I'll take enough drugs until I can run as fast as those fast black men. I'm only levelling the field. Why should I not be able to follow my sporting dream just because of the way I was born? THIS THIS THIS - have I ever said how much I respect your posts? well I do... they're ace! It's funny with the 'messi isnt really cheating' mob, I wonder how the feel about Lance Armstrong? I mean, surely using someone elses blood to gain an advantage is fair? right? |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 14, 2013 9:34:40 GMT
The difference with Messi and other people who need to take HGH is that most people generally don't have Barcelona paying for the treatment. Barcelona didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts. They did it because they saw a wonderfully gifted youngster and thought "Wow, he's damn good. But apparently he won't grow beyond 5 feet? So he won't be physically able to play this sport? Well, we'll just give him enough drugs until he CAN physically play the sport. Jobs a good 'un" I don't see how there's a debate. If you cannot compete in a sport unless you take illegal drugs to make you do so, then you cannot compete in the sport. End of argument. If you need steriods to play a game, then you cannot play the game. Because you now have an unfair advantage over everyone else. He was born with an unfair disadvantage though, and the drugs levelled the field. OK, I'd love to be an Olympic sprinter but I was born white and slow, that's a disadvantage. So, I'll take enough drugs until I can run as fast as those fast black men. I'm only levelling the field. Why should I not be able to follow my sporting dream just because of the way I was born? |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jun 14, 2013 9:45:34 GMT
This Messi/Barcelona debate is becoming quite a strange fixture on the forum.
Anyone think we'd be discussing this with such vigor if we hadn't lost to them in two CL finals in such a short period of time?
I think not.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 14, 2013 9:46:43 GMT
*Sigh.*
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jun 14, 2013 9:48:58 GMT
Not really, Bestie. All I'm saying is I doubt there are giant threads debating and analyzing the validity of Messi's capabilities on other arbitrary clubs' forums. We lost two finals against them and Messi has prevented one of our own ex-players, a well loved one, from winning the Ballon D'or. 1+1 = ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 10:14:19 GMT
By cheating? prevention through cheating.... through sticking two fingers up at the natural order of things and in this case, a deformed hobbit sized tiny man.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jun 14, 2013 10:30:50 GMT
so he's hobbit-sized, which is pretty small, but he's also a tiny man? |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 14, 2013 10:37:07 GMT
Not really, Bestie. All I'm saying is I doubt there are giant threads debating and analyzing the validity of Messi's capabilities on other arbitrary clubs' forums. We lost two finals against them and Messi has prevented one of our own ex-players, a well loved one, from winning the Ballon D'or. 1+1 = ? If you look around the General Football/Sport section you'll see threads on plenty of other scandels and teams too. And threads evolve. This started out as one guy asking about the HGH and became a wider Barca thread. We have Euro and World Cup threads, European Cup threads, Promotion/relegation threads. Real Madrid keeping beating us in Europe and poached our best player for what turns out to be peanuts but we don't have a thread on them because most of us agree since the turn of the Century they have been hateful and bad for the game. There is no Real (excuse the pun) debate to be had. I suppose we could knock up one about the merits of their style of play? We all love United but most of us follow the game as a professional sport as well. It isn't that far-fetched for football-interested people to discuss football-related topics or stories of a moment. (e.g. Random Football Stories thread.) |
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