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Post by JamBritRed on Jan 25, 2013 14:55:32 GMT
Jim, you don't think HGH would help the football skills of a person who would normally top out at 5 Ft, but with the HGH gets to a height of 5' 8" - 5' 10"?
as you say, to each their own, but if you don't think that helps a professional athlete maybe there will forever be a difference of opinion on this one.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 25, 2013 15:08:21 GMT
If thats the case why is there such a furore over players testing positive for coke, marajuana and that?
They definitly arent performance enhancers! So why should they be banned??
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Jan 25, 2013 15:10:46 GMT
Nah, just the use of HGH by people without, you know, having a medical condition  In any case, I dislike both Real and Barca Bestie. Duno SET, maybe the Drug Administrators are just spoil sports? |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 25, 2013 15:11:15 GMT
it would help him with the athletic side of the game of course, but that's only one aspect of the game, it's not gonna give him that football brain or those incredible skills and technique, the stuff that makes him the player he is. so no, i don't think it affected his skills.
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 25, 2013 15:12:49 GMT
If thats the case why is there such a furore over players testing positive for coke, marajuana and that? They definitly arent performance enhancers! So why should they be banned?? coke is an illegal drug. so is marijuana, unless prescribed by a doctor. GH administered by a doctor and above board is legal. the football authorities know about messi's history and have no issue with it. |
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Post by traffordbrown on Jan 25, 2013 15:28:18 GMT
What would happen if Messi developed glaucoma and was perscribed marijuana?
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 25, 2013 15:30:44 GMT
If thats the case why is there such a furore over players testing positive for coke, marajuana and that? They definitly arent performance enhancers! So why should they be banned?? Isn't it because it is in the laws of countries? In that case, we could also question "why ban drugs in the first place?" The answer is mainly because it is detrimental to health when used abusively, which many people fall trap to. Not that they really care for the welfare of the players and people, but as part of a business and part of the media, they are needed to seem to uphold some sort of shambolic moralistic principles, just to appeal to the public into believing that they aren't corrupt, egoistical and dysfunctional of a group of rich distant people. Hormone doping should remain illegal in football of course if you use it as an enhancer, but in the case of Messi, it was used to treat his deficiency / disease. It really boils down to his condition. Another main point is this - Hormone doping only works if you use it constantly in your adulthood. Messi doesn't do this, so this rules out "doping". What you can argue, however, is whether Barcelona and affiliated doctors have intentionally enhanced Messi's physical growth beyond compensation means to keep him healthy when he had the deficiency during his childhood or teenage years. This is worse than doping IMO, it is akin to growing a child for money, like animal stock. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 25, 2013 15:36:00 GMT
What would happen if Messi developed glaucoma and was perscribed marijuana? Don't know much about glaucoma, but if marijuana is an accepted and prescribed drug for the disease, then it should be allowed. |
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Post by traffordbrown on Jan 25, 2013 15:40:03 GMT
What would happen if Messi developed glaucoma and was perscribed marijuana? Don't know much about glaucoma, but if marijuana is an accepted and prescribed drug for the disease, then it should be allowed. That answer is far too sensible. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Jan 25, 2013 15:45:28 GMT
it would help him with the athletic side of the game of course, but that's only one aspect of the game, it's not gonna give him that football brain or those incredible skills and technique, the stuff that makes him the player he is. so no, i don't think it affected his skills. loving the debate. i agree with you re the footballing brain. however i think technique and skills are a direct result of where both the mental ability (footballing brain) and physical ability are in synch. Technique and skills must be honed through hundreds of hours of repetition. it's not like you can just think about doing a one-two with a team-mate and then chipping the ball over the Keeper, and then go on the pitch and it works. you have to physically do that over and over until it becomes second nature. so having said that, if you are too small physically, but have the imagination to do that move, it still wont work as you just wont be able to generate the power to pull it off. and i'm not sure if any amount of practice can compensate for what advantage natural physical gifts give a professional athlete. thus, If Messi was as pint sized as he was destined to be without the HGH, i'm not sure if he could refine his technique and skills to the requisite levels to have a decent career in the game, much less to the levels that he is now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 15:50:17 GMT
it would help him with the athletic side of the game of course, but that's only one aspect of the game, it's not gonna give him that football brain or those incredible skills and technique, the stuff that makes him the player he is. so no, i don't think it affected his skills. So having his centre of gravity changed by being made taller hasn't affected his balance and in turn his ability to perform said skills on the football pitch? Of course it has. |
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 25, 2013 16:06:44 GMT
his center of gravity is regarded as strong because he is small...not because the hormones made him taller
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 25, 2013 16:11:17 GMT
If it has helped him with the athletic side of his game then isn't that performance enhancing?
If he wasn't athletic then he wouldn't be much good - and would surely succumb to more injuries and such?
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Post by jimbonda on Jan 25, 2013 16:13:32 GMT
it would help him with the athletic side of the game of course, but that's only one aspect of the game, it's not gonna give him that football brain or those incredible skills and technique, the stuff that makes him the player he is. so no, i don't think it affected his skills. loving the debate. i agree with you re the footballing brain. however i think technique and skills are a direct result of where both the mental ability (footballing brain) and physical ability are in synch. Technique and skills must be honed through hundreds of hours of repetition. it's not like you can just think about doing a one-two with a team-mate and then chipping the ball over the Keeper, and then go on the pitch and it works. you have to physically do that over and over until it becomes second nature. so having said that, if you are too small physically, but have the imagination to do that move, it still wont work as you just wont be able to generate the power to pull it off. and i'm not sure if any amount of practice can compensate for what advantage natural physical gifts give a professional athlete. thus, If Messi was as pint sized as he was destined to be without the HGH, i'm not sure if he could refine his technique and skills to the requisite levels to have a decent career in the game, much less to the levels that he is now. it's a difficult one. the hormones will assist the power aspect of his game, present in everything from shooting to running, but put it this way, if you take an unco-ordinated kid who has no ball skills, give him a course of GH and look at him again, he's not gonna suddenly have gained ball control, a good touch etc. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jan 25, 2013 16:18:29 GMT
Jimbo, I would really like to help you out - not that I totally agree with you, but we have some similar points, but I think I have repeated myself too many times to be bothered  |
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