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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 20:40:20 GMT
That's the one. Although he failed a medical at Everton, right? Either way Big Dave is still interested. Ah yes, he did fail his med there Tatty. Leroy Fer, rings a bell alright! |
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Post by jimbonda on May 22, 2013 20:42:07 GMT
Either way Big Dave is still interested. FFS. second 'forgot about the retirement' moment. thought for a second, who's big dave and what's it got to do with United. |
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Post by JamBritRed on May 22, 2013 21:12:31 GMT
Either way Big Dave is still interested. FFS. second 'forgot about the retirement' moment. thought for a second, who's big dave and what's it got to do with United.  it takes some getting used to, that's for sure. (esp when i see that sig of yours) im convinced im going to be queasy when i see Moyes on the bench. not because i dont want him, it's just gonna be a twilight zone moment for a while till i get used to it. |
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Post by Bestie on May 22, 2013 21:31:10 GMT
Bestie: you mentioned about a big attitude etc but I think he's far from that, I think he's generally thought of as a good, down to earth lad, never read stories about a bad attitude or anything else due to lack of playing time etc. Would be a brilliant signing for us. As already mentioned, he's a proper CM, he doesn't play CAM (although he probably could) so he wouldn't interfere with Kagawa. Sell Ando, sign Thiago and Matic and our midfield is sorted. I think he's a mixture of both Cleverley and Anderson, can do the simple pass and move like Cleverley but can also drive forward and be creative. If next season we lined up like the following I'd be happy; Carrick / Matic / Thiago (any of them two) Valencia / Nani Kagawa Bale / Ronaldo / Di Maria RvP Did you even read the Hunter/other quotes on the previous page of the thread? Reasons for Barca wanting rid: 'disciplinary issues and a feeling that he thinks he's already made it to the top level despite work still being needed' So completely the opposite of what you said. although bestie is anti-anything barca and to a lesser extent spanish outside of real madrid by reflex and either ignorant to it or in denial, i share his reservations this time. Wrong you mug. I've already said I quite fancy a bit of Fabregas if he's going. But as I've said before, we need something else before we start thinking about nice passers. To say I automatically don't rate/want Spaniards from outside of Real is ridiculous. Go read the Javi Martinez thread and see who was one of the biggest proponents for signing him. Glad you agree Thiago ain't right for us though. I must say I did laugh at Bestis outrage about the whole thing. As if he'd have reacted the same if it was a equally gifted player in the same situation at another club. At this supposed price, what exactly is to be reserved about? Especially if its true we've been trying to get him for 2 years already. It isn't outrage, it's questioning whether it's a right move on our part. I've balked at any signing that's a 'between the lines' player, or some other fancy-footed "AM", or anything other than what we clearly need. Which is something totally different, deeper in the midfield. Look around the threads, you'll see it. I've reacted exactly the same for equally talented players. He's better than any wing option we have at the moment. Ryan Giggs out-ran and out-classed him there in March. He isn't. |
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Post by Bestie on May 22, 2013 21:39:58 GMT
"boasts decent physical attributes. Thiago can thread the eye of the needle with his passing, change the tempo or force matters himself by going on a mazy dribble."
This. This has me perked up. When he does that, we can do something with him.
And if he doesn't play in the same position as Kagawa, then happy freakin' days brah.
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Post by fletchabey on May 22, 2013 21:53:44 GMT
It isn't outrage, it's questioning whether it's a right move on our part. I've balked at any signing that's a 'between the lines' player, or some other fancy-footed "AM", or anything other than what we clearly need. Which is something totally different, deeper in the midfield. Look around the threads, you'll see it. I've reacted exactly the same for equally talented players. Maybe it wasnt outrage but at a skim read at work it looked like one, lots of negativity. As I said though in a previous post, he's not been used as 'AM, number 9, behind the striker, in hole' etc player. Hes a central midfielder, when he picks up the ball its in the area's you'd often see Scholes in, around the centre circle. Now obviously Barca play a different system and we could go into the bigger technicalities of the role (i wouldnt say he'd be a dead cert fit, but anything can happen from this point on), but I just want to be clear he doesn't play in the AM role despite being a tricky half Brazilian with silky technique. Probably could do, but he's been groomed more as a Xavi role. As I've said to you before, we don't need to worry about which midfielder we sign first, we have 2 open midfield spots and that isn't even counting Ando leaving. Wanting this guy certainly doesn't make me want someone in a different mould any less. On the attitude thing, maybe thats just one half of the story. As I suggested earlier, the clause itself suggest he isn't part of the Barca love-in as much as others. Having it showed a willingness to move on a maybe they hold that against him. Tends to happen with players. |
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Post by alt on May 22, 2013 22:49:11 GMT
Bestie: you mentioned about a big attitude etc but I think he's far from that, I think he's generally thought of as a good, down to earth lad, never read stories about a bad attitude or anything else due to lack of playing time etc. Would be a brilliant signing for us. As already mentioned, he's a proper CM, he doesn't play CAM (although he probably could) so he wouldn't interfere with Kagawa. Sell Ando, sign Thiago and Matic and our midfield is sorted. I think he's a mixture of both Cleverley and Anderson, can do the simple pass and move like Cleverley but can also drive forward and be creative. If next season we lined up like the following I'd be happy; Carrick / Matic / Thiago (any of them two) Valencia / Nani Kagawa Bale / Ronaldo / Di Maria RvP Did you even read the Hunter/other quotes on the previous page of the thread? Reasons for Barca wanting rid: 'disciplinary issues and a feeling that he thinks he's already made it to the top level despite work still being needed' So completely the opposite of what you said. I'd only read the original Marca article and listened to the Graham Hunter interview, neither state it's down to disciplinary issues. It's only Sporting Witness who have written that, and that was without any sort of genuine source. Ryan Giggs out-ran and out-classed him there in March. He isn't. Haha, please don't make me laugh. Just because he goes down like a girl it doesn't mean hes shite. If you honestly think our current wingers are better then you need a reality check. |
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Post by alt on May 22, 2013 23:04:02 GMT
That's the one. Although he failed a medical at Everton, right? Either way Big Dave is still interested. Ah yes, he did fail his med there Tatty. Leroy Fer, rings a bell alright! Looks like a fitter version of Anderson with more tackling ability. Seems to get stuck in, has plenty of pace and travels well with the ball, makes you wonder though when Strootman and Clasie seem to be ahead of him. |
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Post by sleel6 on May 23, 2013 1:25:02 GMT
Di Maria is a class player, just a wanker.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 5:57:39 GMT
We havent seen our CM`s do anywhere near enough of that.
Yes please.I think he would be a fantastic signing.We need more players that can get you off your seat, creating that buzz you got when Ronaldo picked up the ball.He certainly out Brazilians Ando.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 23, 2013 6:13:50 GMT
Might get your wish on the Dutchman. Not Strootman though. I'd guess.  I know many people have reservations about Strootman and think he's overrated. Obviously I don't, but it's a strange scenario when we seemingly pass up on him, captain of the Dutch national side, whilst apparently being interested in a guy who rarely starts for them and failed a medical at Everton and who's rated at 8.2mil?  EDIT: He only has a year left on his contract. Sounds like a cheap alternative, although I've seen virtually nothing of the kid, they're both 23 though. Put it this way, I'll be having a bit of a laugh if/when Strootman is reaching his potential at the Dippers/Spurs/whoever. |
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Post by mightyez on May 23, 2013 8:05:11 GMT
fer is a solid player would have developed well at everton and moved on in 2 years.
i havent seen stootman play but no one seems to know what his role is
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on May 23, 2013 8:26:45 GMT
This Leroy Fer seems like a beast, but his passing game isn't all that great (judging by youtbe videos). He was considered good for Everton - is he good enough for us though? Hope it isn't just a cheap alternative that we might regret....Why is Strootman ahead of him in the dutch side - if he's so overrated??? Haven't seen them play and I am just wondering...
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Post by Bestie on May 23, 2013 9:03:00 GMT
Ryan Giggs out-ran and out-classed him there in March. He isn't. Haha, please don't make me laugh. Just because he goes down like a girl it doesn't mean hes shite. If you honestly think our current wingers are better then you need a reality check. I didn't say he was shite. I said he was out-run and out-classed by a 39 year old. Di Maria is, on his best day, level with our wingers on their best day. === === === === === === === === === === === === === === That long range goal looks good but I don't really care about free-hits like that. Anyone can whack a ball from 25 yards, and obviously some players are better at getting them to go in. Seeing someone do it regularly is more exciting. But one off vids doesn't impress tas much as, say, this: That's vs. Real Madrid FFS, and they actually tried to tackle him instead of the usual 'stand-off Messi' lark. That's exciting! Cautiously coming round to this, he does look a player. If the attitude issues really are blown-up, and we definitely sign a second midfielder in a Gundogen mould, then wahay. I should clarify, as people seem to be enjoying having a go, that I'm not so much against signing this lad rather than I'm frightened we would only sign this lad. If there is to be one midfield signing, I don't want this guy to be it. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 23, 2013 9:12:45 GMT
sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/discipline-problems-push-barca-ace-to-manchester-united-for-just-About a week ago we covered a story from Catalan newspaper Mundo Deportivo about Barcelona midfielder Thiago. They had him on the front page and the following four pages were also dedicated to the club selling him as they look to offload some fringe players and bring a couple of stars in. We said at the time: 'Mundo Deportivo's first four pages today are dedicated to Barcelona putting Thiago Alcantara, 22, on the market. The Catalan club apparently want rid and are prepared to sell him for just €25m, which by today's standards is a bargain. His buy-out clause is €90m but Barcelona are so keen to reduce the size of their squad, and raise funds for other deals, that they want a quick deal. He's one of several who are likely to be facing the exit but Mundo's insistence is perhaps the biggest splash on a player leaving so far.' Today all the Spanish sport newspapers we could find had a Thiago story of some kind. The gist is that his progress has been halted by two things. Firstly, there are alleged disciplinary issues and a feeling that he thinks he's already made it to the top level, when improvement is still needed. Secondly, he was the blue-eyed boy of Pep and now Tito isn't quite so keen and wants to brings players in other positions in. Marca, a Madrid based newspaper, will be enjoying stirring this particular pot. A La Masia boy who was meant to be the future of Spanish football, gone a little off track. They say that Manchester United are already in negotiations with Barcelona about buying the midfielder this summer, with David Moyes obviously hopeful he can get the best out of Thiago. Marca claim that player's buy-out clause of €90m has been reduced to just €18m because of a clause in his contract dictating he needed to play a certain number of games. It's possible Marca are pushing that slightly but it's very clear in Spain right now that Thiago is likely to be on his way. If Manchester United could get him for around £16.5m then that would be one of the bargains of the summer. We reckon the fee would be slightly higher and Marca are just enjoying themselves slightly, but with the Catalan newspapers also running 'Thiago Out' stories, then an exit looks increasingly likely. A fee of around £18m - £20m would probably be more likely. -------------------------- Some of you might still not be sold on him, but I reckon if we pulled this off he'd become an absolutely immense player for us. Sell Ando, bring in Thiago and a Box to Box midfielder and central midfield is sorted. , No and No thank you. Read the last sentence of my initial post Bestie. |
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