Euros U-21s

[mightyez]

LOL

[Deleted]

Useless English wankers, pile of horse shit.

just cost me 350 quid.

[Bestie]

On the downside, my knee is fucked and I had to leave 6-aside early.

On the upside I get home to read Pearce's England have failed to win a game (it's the players' and senior squad's fault), and that Sheepshanks reckons England will win an International competition in the 2020's. Unless they enter the Nations Cup, that's fucking hilarious.

I see Italy drew with Norway; did they rest a load of players? Also, is there any word on Insigne's injury?

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Watched the 2nd half and England were fucking terrible. How the fuck Jordan Henderson and Jonjo Shelvey are international players I'll never know. As useful as tits on a fish.

[mightyez]

i really cant believe they are internationals and as much as i dislike their club i can't belive they get to pull on that shirt every week, absolute joke, they are bottom of the table players or championship stars at best

[Bestie]

Anyone else see Conor Coady has been made captain of the U-20s? Will Hughes plays every week for Derby (not even in the squad), and Sam Byram is a key player for Leeds. Ward Prowse, Barkley and Bigirimana have all played games for Premier League clubs.

And yet Coady, who has made exactly one appearence for Liverpool and one club career appearence total (i. e hasn't even had a loan spell anywhere in the Championship for example) is experienced enough get picked and be captain of the U-20s.

This is why England embarrass themselves at international tournaments.

[Stew]

Makes perfect sense to me. Gerrard and Henderson have been rip-roaring successes for the national team and the U21's, so why not Coady?


Oh, yeah, he's fucking useless.

[stretfordend]

England simply do not have any good young players at that level. Would any of them get into the Spanish side? Not one

[ScholesEvilTwin]

Jun 12, 2013 8:33:58 GMT Bestie said:

Anyone else see Conor Coady has been made captain of the U-20s? Will Hughes plays every week for Derby (not even in the squad), and Sam Byram is a key player for Leeds. Ward Prowse, Barkley and Bigirimana have all played games for Premier League clubs.

And yet Coady, who has made exactly one appearence for Liverpool and one club career appearence total (i. e hasn't even had a loan spell anywhere in the Championship for example) is experienced enough get picked and be captain of the U-20s.

This is why England embarrass themselves at international tournaments.

[redcase]

I have noticed this excessive use of scouse fucknuggets for England's national teams.

[johnboy14]

Any team is capable of having a bad tournament folks but the standard of Englands play has to worry English supporters. Germany are out aswell but there level of performance hasn't been woeful. To much is made of winning this tournament but it highlights the real shortcomings in the English game. Lazy coaches like pearce and many of his age group need to wake up and realise they don't have what it takes to be a football coach and go back to basics and re-evaluate there outlook on the game because its caveman stuff. I've just read Inverting the Pyramid by Johnathan Davis and its just about the perfect analysis of the English game and how this deep neglect of tactical innovation and pigheaded attitude to football ensures the game in this country will always remain many steps behind the continent. If they gave medals out for moaning about the game in this country we'd be winners all the time. People know whats wrong with the game but theres few if any who are willing to do anything about it.

[mightyez]

the worry is the comments from the powers that be (FA and pearce himself)
the team had decent individuals but greece showed that with one goal, one work ethic and selfless and some cohesive play in attck and defense you can get far.
we lacked all of that, barely stringing together 5 passes, to lose all 3 games is nothing short of poor

[stretfordend]

The thing about the English coaching system is they coach the football out of the players. The 1st thing a central defender is taught is to kick the ball out over the line. How many of the top nations do you see do that? Most international sides will look to pass their way out.

Have a look at some of the prices of the young english players. I saw one newspaper saying Will Hughes from Derby is worth £15m? £15m? for someone who has proven nothing. Their is not many English players that could go aboard and be star. Wayne Rooney would probably be the only one. They need to smash up the whole system and rebuild with new ideas.

[Deleted]

When a team under peforms badly on more than one competition the management is at fault, so why any different now. Pearce is blaming the players lack of ambition and while he may be right the fact of the matter is the selections were poor, the tactics were poor.

You expect nothing less from a guy who managd City, A team used to finishing bottom of a group in a Euro competition

[Bestie]

Jun 12, 2013 12:16:22 GMT mightyez said:

the worry is the comments from the powers that be (FA and pearce himself)
the team had decent individuals but greece showed that with one goal, one work ethic and selfless and some cohesive play in attck and defense you can get far.
we lacked all of that, barely stringing together 5 passes, to lose all 3 games is nothing short of poor

This (and what john said) precisely. The squad that went was a poor one, the captaincy choice was a poor one, the tactics were regressive and archaic, the organisation at set-pieces was laughable. Yet Pearce blames the players, or the senior squad, or the younger levels not providing talent (looking to save his own skin, quite obviously); the F. A. and other 'leading' men in English football come out and make statements not only in support of Pearce but praising the alleged progress he's led in the team. You always hear the same 'expert' names. Pearce, Pleat, the Taylor's, Southgate. Hardly fresh-thinking, successful phenoms of the modern game, are they? Why aren't the F. A. allocating half their budget to begging Fergie to teach them how to develop young talent. Or, as the Gaffer would likely refuse outright, the likes of Dario Gradi, Les Reed and Matt Crocker (Heads of Southampton's Football Development and Youth Academy).

Mediocre players like Henderson and Shelvey get picked because they at Liverpool and at least they play in the Premier League most weeks, but surely the best way to promote progress and change is to simply pick players on form and ability, not who they player for or at what level. I and others have mentioned Will Hughes before, is he injured or something? Or is he not picked because he has "only" been excellent for Derby?