The Big Clear-Out

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Who of our current squad do you think should be sold/leave.

De Gea
Lindegaard - Keep him so long as he`s happy as understudy. 
Amos

Defenders

Rafael
Evra
Rio
Vidic
Jones
Smalling - CB
Evans
Fabio - LB/RB cover.
Buttner

Central mids

Carrick
Anderson - Not cutting it, we`ve ruined him but time to go.
Cleverley - Last chance saloon, though I`d keep as squad filler while hes happy to stay.
Fellaini - Maybe harsh but Treebeard is a disaster, never suited to MUFC.
Powell - Prospect. But has played his whole career so far as a number 10. Needs to be loaned as a CM.
Fletcher - Unlikely to ever re-reach his peak. Squad player is hopeful. Cant rely.

Wingers

Nani
Valencia - Found out as a winger. Far too predictable.
Januzaj
Young - never good enough.
Giggs - retire with grace. Legend.
Zaha - Keep him, play him.

Attackers

van Persie
Welbeck- Same as Cleverley, season loan may be an idea.
Hernandez - Deserves better but never a starter here.
Rooney - Fuck off and leave wor Bobbys record alone.
Kagawa

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I'm surprised you have Val in red but Nani in green. Both as bad as each other. Also keep Buttner. If we ever get a proper squad he'll be a really good reserve left back when he want to go all out attack. Other wise agreed.

Edit. No way I'd have Hernandez out.

[karthy]

Think ppl are being harsh on Tony V and Clevs tbh. Players take more time coming back to their usual self after a crushing injury. Ramsey is a perfect example. Some people do so quickly some take longer and few don't. Tony V and Clevs have shown signs, albeit sporadic, that they are getting themselves back. The fear of the pain is something that takes longer to go ,should be given more time and useful squad players atm given that no matter what clear out we do we ain't gonna invest that heavly in the market ahead.

Selling both Evra and Buttner is risky leaves back up option thin + Buttner can still be useful in an advanced position.

Welbeck hasn't played in his position that many times ,harsh to judge him ,agree that he is found wanting at times but needs a run of games first at op front before we decide to sell him off. Chico - NO way should we sell him

Selling/seeing off Rooney + Welbz+ Chico is a recipe for disaster. Sell Rooney , buy a striker or promote one from our academy rotate with RvP /Welbz and Chico for one more season to give equal opportunities and then see if they aren't good enough.

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I would promote, M.Keane and Blackett in defence.

Lingard and Cole for the wings and W.Keane and Wilson up top.

Ideal signings would be, Gundogan, Koke, Herrera(all 3) for CM. If Shaw isnt an option I would go back for Coentrao for his versatility and a bit of experience for our left side.

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Dec 15, 2013 12:39:11 GMT @ausred88 said:

I'm surprised you have Val in red but Nani in green. Both as bad as each other. Also keep Buttner. If we ever get a proper squad he'll be a really good reserve left back when he want to go all out attack. Other wise agreed.

Edit. No way I'd have Hernandez out.

I would keep Valencia as a RB/RWB, until we have specialist cover there, better than Smalling/Jones there but only just. He has been found out as a winger and is so easy to defend against, plus he cant cross for toffee, pretty damning particulars for a winger. Nani has ability.

I dont mind Buttner on the wing, I think Moyes would be a better option at LB.

Hernandez(I love the bloke) I would sell because we are not playing him and he is beginning to get frustrated. I dont think he will ever be our number 1 striker, so we should sell if we get a good offer and reinvest.

[karthy]

Blackett - yes , Keane - needs more time i'd say. Lingard and Cole - absolutely Wilson - yes.

Funny how everyone almost seems to have forgotten about our Henriquez. I'd have him and send Keane on Loan.

We'd need a good CB as well , Rio is done and Vida is nearing it.

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Dec 15, 2013 12:44:11 GMT karthy said:

Think ppl are being harsh on Tony V and Clevs tbh. Players take more time coming back to their usual self after a crushing injury. Ramsey is a perfect example. Some people do so quickly some take longer and few don't. Tony V and Clevs have shown signs, albeit sporadic, that they are getting themselves back. The fear of the pain is something that takes longer to go ,should be given more time and useful squad players atm given that no matter what clear out we do we ain't gonna invest that heavly in the market ahead.

Selling both Evra and Buttner is risky leaves back up option thin + Buttner can still be useful in an advanced position.

Welbeck hasn't played in his position that many times ,harsh to judge him ,agree that he is found wanting at times but needs a run of games first at op front before we decide to sell him off. Chico - NO way should we sell him

Selling/seeing off Rooney + Welbz+ Chico is a recipe for disaster. Sell Rooney , buy a striker or promote one from our academy rotate with RvP /Welbz and Chico for one more season to give equal opportunities and then see if they aren't good enough.

I like Cleverley, thats why I put him in last chance saloon as this season is his last chance to stake a place as a starter, before he will be replaced in the market. I would still keep him as a squad player because, A, its currently the best he can hope for on current form, B, for homegrown coefficients and C, he loves the Club.


Evra is done and Buttner is not a LB. I was a better defender aged 10 than Buttner is now, good going forward though. Promoting Blackett, who will be outstanding, and recruiting Shaw/Coentrao would improve us IMO.

Welbeck, Im a big fan btw, isnt exactly putting up much of a fight for the strikers shirt, thats why I suggested a seasons loan, I would never sell DW unless he wanted to go.

Reasons for Hernandez as above, great character, very useful squad player but we have to be fair to the player, he is a legend in Mexico and deserves better than riding our bench. If he is happy to stay then great, but if we have to sell, sell abroad.

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Dec 15, 2013 12:58:48 GMT karthy said:

Blackett - yes , Keane - needs more time i'd say. Lingard and Cole - absolutely Wilson - yes.

Funny how everyone almost seems to have forgotten about our Henriquez. I'd have him and send Keane on Loan.

We'd need a good CB as well , Rio is done and Vida is nearing it.

I did forget about him, looked great in pre season, movement is excellent. Good idea, Keane prob needs a full season on loan after missing all of last year.

If we are really sorting the CM out Jones can return to CB, which should cover Rio leaving. I think M.Keane is ready, think he will be a top player.

[karthy]

ON Buttner - that's a reason i said he is better in advanced position @areba.

On Danny and Chico - selling them both off in the same year or selling one and loaning other means that we will have only RVP as main striker and youth as back up not ok with that. like i said Sell Rooney play the 3 strikers rotating with Kags behind them and then decide.

Agree on Shaw/Coentrao.

I'd actually try and see how Clevs does in No.10 position in few games even ando given that we can't have Kags play every game before selling one of them

[Kamilo]

Young
Anderson
Nani
Giggs (retire)
Bebe
Macheda

And possibly..

Rooney

[karthy]

Ando not even on the bench he is goner for sure imo. Sadly it will be another Year roll on for Giggs

[mightyez]

Dec 15, 2013 12:32:54 GMT @deanser said:

Who of our current squad do you think should be sold/leave.

De Gea
Lindegaard - Keep him so long as he`s happy as understudy. 
Amos

Defenders

Rafael
Evra
Rio
Vidic
Jones
Smalling - CB
Evans
Fabio - LB/RB cover.
Buttner

Central mids

Carrick
Anderson - Not cutting it, we`ve ruined him but time to go.
Cleverley - Last chance saloon, though I`d keep as squad filler while hes happy to stay.
Fellaini - Maybe harsh but Treebeard is a disaster, never suited to MUFC.
Powell - Prospect. But has played his whole career so far as a number 10. Needs to be loaned as a CM.
Fletcher - Unlikely to ever re-reach his peak. Squad player is hopeful. Cant rely.

Wingers

Nani
Valencia - Found out as a winger. Far too predictable.
Januzaj
Young - never good enough.
Giggs - retire with grace. Legend.
Zaha - Keep him, play him.

Attackers

van Persie
Welbeck- Same as Cleverley, season loan may be an idea.
Hernandez - Deserves better but never a starter here.
Rooney - Fuck off and leave wor Bobbys record alone.
Kagawa

Some will think this is harsh I think its spot on. However Rooney stays clevers goes, fellaini stays

[Rorschach]

Goalkeepers

De Gea
Lindegaard
Amos

Defenders

Rafael
Evra - Getting too old. Been good this season but he'll be 33 in May.
Rio - Retire. He's creaking and past it.
Vidic
Jones
Smalling
Evans
Fabio
Buttner - Decent going forward but awful defensively.

Central Midfield

Carrick
Anderson - Permanently unfit, had years to prove himself and never has done. Offers nothing to the team.
Fellaini - Can't pass, can't run, no skill. Useless.
Cleverley - Unsure. Good passer, great energy but offers nothing going forward or defensively.
Powell
Fletcher - Unsure. Will he ever get back to his best? Debatable.

Wingers

Nani - Infuriatingly inconsistent and wasteful, and often disinterested
Valencia - One-dimensional, no left foot, predictable
Januzaj
Young - Dives, gives the ball away, rarely offers much
Giggs - Aside from the odd nice pass, he's completely past it
Zaha
Attackers

van Persie
Hernandez
Welbeck - Unsure. Shows glimpses of good form, like against Villa today, but often looks awful.
Rooney - Thinks he's bigger than the club, astronomically overpaid. Fuck off.
Kagawa

[sharsh_U4L]

I will keep Valencia and sell Nani. 3 reasons
1) Valencia will be a good squad player and will not crib like many others.
2) Nani might fetch us more than Valencia.
3) Tony atleast show signs of improvement which is a trait Nani is alien to.

Promote: Lingard, Powell, Defender Keane, Cole, Pearson, and Wilson.
Retire/Out: Rio, Evra, Giggs, Young, Nani, Ando, Rooney
Persist with: Valencia, Welbz, Clevers, Fabio
More Chances (selectively) to: Kagz, Jani, Chico, Fella, Henriquez, Zaha
Sign: Herrera/Gundogan/Koke/Mata, Shaw/Coentrao, D.Costa, Mangala

[Chelsea Rentboy]

Ando should have gone two years ago.