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Post by russdonovan1878 on Dec 16, 2013 19:24:39 GMT
I have a soft spot in my heart for the veterans like Rio and Giggs. If they retire, great, if not, keep them around, but use them only in can't lose situations. Our biggest issues are the younger players that have never, and will never be United quality. Cleverly, Welbeck, Chica, Young, Ando, Bebe. They all have to go. They could all easily land on their feet as a mid-table team starter, but they can't do it for us. Those players have all been given multiple seasons to show what they can do. Its time to give that opportunity to the likes of Powell and Zaha.
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Post by JamBritRed on Dec 16, 2013 20:21:56 GMT
out in summer: anderson young evra rio(retirement/mls payday) giggs(retirement) fletcher(retirement)rooney(will go in the summer in my opinion) i think those are the likely departures in the summer, giggs and fletcher may prove me wrong and continue. i don't think any other first team players will go as the club will be cautious about moving too many on in one go. i didn't mention the likes of bebe and macheda, they are not first team players so not of any consequence. having seen him play, with this guy coming off a year long injury, are we really advocating the removal of one of the few home grown captain material CM's that we have? seriously?   the only scenario under which Fletcher leaves this club is by his own volition. anything otherwise would be to totally discredit the work he has put in b4 his injury, and subsequent to it to get back to this stage. HE (along with Carrick), of all of the current CM crop is the last to leave IMHO. |
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Post by pancakeapocalypse on Dec 16, 2013 20:57:43 GMT
out in summer: anderson young evra rio(retirement/mls payday) giggs(retirement) fletcher(retirement)rooney(will go in the summer in my opinion) i think those are the likely departures in the summer, giggs and fletcher may prove me wrong and continue. i don't think any other first team players will go as the club will be cautious about moving too many on in one go. i didn't mention the likes of bebe and macheda, they are not first team players so not of any consequence. having seen him play, with this guy coming off a year long injury, are we really advocating the removal of one of the few home grown captain material CM's that we have? seriously? the only scenario under which Fletcher leaves this club is by his own volition. anything otherwise would be to totally discredit the work he has put in b4 his injury, and subsequent to it to get back to this stage. HE (along with Carrick), of all of the current CM crop is the last to leave IMHO. i wasn't advocating that fletcher retire, it would be his own decision, if he suffers another lengthy setback with his condition i think he'll say enough is enough and call it a day. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Dec 16, 2013 21:48:54 GMT
i got a 'like' from Ed Woodard for my last post........ im not sure how i feel about this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 22:17:36 GMT
out in summer: anderson young evra rio(retirement/mls payday) giggs(retirement) fletcher(retirement)rooney(will go in the summer in my opinion) i think those are the likely departures in the summer, giggs and fletcher may prove me wrong and continue. i don't think any other first team players will go as the club will be cautious about moving too many on in one go. i didn't mention the likes of bebe and macheda, they are not first team players so not of any consequence. having seen him play, with this guy coming off a year long injury, are we really advocating the removal of one of the few home grown captain material CM's that we have? seriously? the only scenario under which Fletcher leaves this club is by his own volition. anything otherwise would be to totally discredit the work he has put in b4 his injury, and subsequent to it to get back to this stage. HE (along with Carrick), of all of the current CM crop is the last to leave IMHO. He probably would be captain if he didn't have that ilness. |
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Post by El Chapo on Dec 16, 2013 22:30:17 GMT
i got a 'like' from Ed Woodard for my last post........ im not sure how i feel about this. I liked it because if Darren retires he'll need replacing and that's more profit down the drain. |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 17, 2013 10:43:41 GMT
i got a 'like' from Ed Woodard for my last post........ im not sure how i feel about this. I liked it because if Darren retires he'll need replacing and that's more profit down the drain. Ed, you missed the point mate.... a bit like your namesake!!  |
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Post by alt on Dec 17, 2013 13:20:39 GMT
Nani's just signed a new contract. He's not going anywhere. To retain value, if there is a big enough offer, he'll be let go. |
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Post by alt on Dec 17, 2013 13:32:43 GMT
Sell / retire:
Young
Anderson
Giggs
Rio
Evra
Retain as squad players:
Cleverley
Welbeck
Vidic
Lindegaard
Fletcher
Last chance (asses until the end of the season, if still shit, get rid. For Kagawa, he's been poor too often and he's very rarely going to play in his preferred position. I don't think Hernandez will stay and sit on the bench, plus I think he is dispensable):
Nani
Valencia
Fellaini
Buttner
Kagawa
Hernandez
Promote (within 1 / 2 years):
Wilson
Powell
Pereira
Lingard
W Keane
Core of the team (that's if both Rooney / RvP stays, wouldn't surprise me if one of them left):
DDG
Jones
New midfielder
Januzaj
Rooney
RvP
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Post by ratbag on Dec 17, 2013 14:13:42 GMT
Sell / retire:Young Anderson Giggs Rio Evra Retain as squad players:
Cleverley Welbeck Vidic Lindegaard Fletcher Last chance (asses until the end of the season, if still shit, get rid. For Kagawa, he's been poor too often and he's very rarely going to play in his preferred position. I don't think Hernandez will stay and sit on the bench, plus I think he is dispensable):Nani Valencia Fellaini Buttner Kagawa Hernandez Promote (within 1 / 2 years):Wilson Powell Pereira Lingard W Keane Core of the team (that's if both Rooney / RvP stays, wouldn't surprise me if one of them left):DDG Jones New midfielder Januzaj Rooney RvP You missed Rafael and Evans in that core. I'd have them both. And you don't think Kags will make it either? That may depend upon phc I suppose... |
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Post by alt on Dec 17, 2013 14:31:20 GMT
Sell / retire:Young Anderson Giggs Rio Evra Retain as squad players:
Cleverley Welbeck Vidic Lindegaard Fletcher Last chance (asses until the end of the season, if still shit, get rid. For Kagawa, he's been poor too often and he's very rarely going to play in his preferred position. I don't think Hernandez will stay and sit on the bench, plus I think he is dispensable):Nani Valencia Fellaini Buttner Kagawa Hernandez Promote (within 1 / 2 years):Wilson Powell Pereira Lingard W Keane Core of the team (that's if both Rooney / RvP stays, wouldn't surprise me if one of them left):DDG Jones New midfielder Januzaj Rooney RvP You missed Rafael and Evans in that core. I'd have them both. And you don't think Kags will make it either? That may depend upon phc I suppose... Should of had Rafael in there, not so sure about Evans though. I think he has been very good recently, but we'll sign a new CB in January / the summer, and if we spend a lot on one such as Mangala / Garay / Zapata / whoever else, they won't come in as backup. Kagawa is a difficult one, a LOT of people stick up for him, but that's mainly because of hatred towards Rooney and preventing him from playing as #10. Fact of the matter is, Kagawa has been poor for us. He's had the odd good game and showed encouragement at times, but far too often he has gone missing. I wouldn't have a problem if we sold him and replaced with someone who can play on the left a lot more effectively, e.g. Reus. Plus, I think Januzaj will eventually be our main #10 when Rooney either plays up top, is injured, or has left. |
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Post by pancakeapocalypse on Dec 17, 2013 18:50:47 GMT
You missed Rafael and Evans in that core. I'd have them both. And you don't think Kags will make it either? That may depend upon phc I suppose... Should of had Rafael in there, not so sure about Evans though. I think he has been very good recently, but we'll sign a new CB in January / the summer, and if we spend a lot on one such as Mangala / Garay / Zapata / whoever else, they won't come in as backup. Kagawa is a difficult one, a LOT of people stick up for him, but that's mainly because of hatred towards Rooney and preventing him from playing as #10. Fact of the matter is, Kagawa has been poor for us. He's had the odd good game and showed encouragement at times, but far too often he has gone missing. I wouldn't have a problem if we sold him and replaced with someone who can play on the left a lot more effectively, e.g. Reus. Plus, I think Januzaj will eventually be our main #10 when Rooney either plays up top, is injured, or has left. i agree with you on kagawa, if he is not ever going to our 10 then he may as well go because as a wide left player we can do better then him. however i expect rooney to go in the summer so that could be his chance, depends on moyes plans... |
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Post by makedon on Dec 17, 2013 19:55:55 GMT
Immediately Sell / retire:
Young
Anderson
Giggs
Rio
Evra
Fellaini
Rooney
Fabio (simply because I'm convinced the boat has sailed with him unfortunately)
Buttner
Nani
Macheda
Petrucci
Bebe
Last chance/Sell if right opportunity comes:
Welbeck
Fletcher (if the illness gets him third time, it will be time to hang the boots)
Valencia
Retain as squad players:
Vidic (losing both Rio and Vida at once would be very bad decision making)
Lindegaard
Cleverley
Zaha
Carrick (we must start phasing him out next 1-2 years. Too dependent on a 32 year old currently)
Promote (within 1 / 2 years):
Henriquez
W Keane
Powell
Tunnicliffe
Lingard
M Keane
Vermijl
Varela
Cole
Blackett
Core of the team:
DDG
Jones
Evans
Smalling
Rafael
Kagawa
Hernandez
RvP
Buy January/Summer:
LB - Ricardo Rodriguez / Coentrao (little chance now contract is expanded) / Shaw - Stay away from Baines
CM - Any 2 from Gundogan / Koke / Song / Strootman / Sneider (if under 10 mil) / Matuidi (if under 10 mil) / Bender / Khedira / Matic - Stay away from Guarin / Cabaye / Witsel
CB - Stay away from Garay / Mangala / Zapata - Not good enough to waste a chance for one of our youth players like M Keane getting a chance. Only Hummels / Subotic and someone in their skill bracket and experience would be good enough signings.
AM/Wings - Reus / Lucas / Ribeiro (if under 15 mil) / Shaqiri / Volland / Draxler / Firmino / Pjanic / Barkley - Stay away from Lallana / Rakitic / Gaitan
Strikers - If RVP and Pea stay, we're good. Welbz, Henriquez and W Keane will be cover.
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Post by Chelsea Rentboy on Dec 17, 2013 20:37:27 GMT
My observation.
Firstly 'immediately' selling or retiring 13 players, most certainly isn't going to be happening right now, not even short term, in my view.
I'm also sceptical that 10 players will be breaking through the ranks within two years.
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Post by makedon on Dec 17, 2013 20:45:13 GMT
My observation. Firstly 'immediately' selling or retiring 13 players, most certainly isn't going to be happening right now, not even short term, in my view. I'm also sceptical that 10 players will be breaking through the ranks within two years. N o one is saying that it will happen in this exact format or magnitude. The OP, with subject BIG CLEAR-OUT, is asking about our opinions, hence it is, well kinda BIG. |
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