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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 28, 2015 4:37:08 GMT
One of the things makes the Euro, Copa América etc special is that they take a while to happen, thus the medal is much more worthy. As a South American, I have no idea of what "then at the end of the year throw in some tournaments like the South American & African Nations do" mean as CONMEBOL organizes Copa América at every four years (the edition of the 2016 one is different because it is supposed to celebrate the centenary of this competition) and what else, men national team football talking? My friend asked a curious question these days that kept me wondering - how are they hosting a WC in a country you're not allowed to drink in public? African cup of nations is every year i believe. Thought. Isn't there also a Gold Cup and and American thing including Central and Nothern America? I might be talking rubbish but i thought South America was part of several tournaments Central and North America have zero to do with South America, unless when they're invited by CONMEBOL to participate at the Copa América (ex México, Jamaica) but it does not count as their tournament. For example, even Japan was invited to Copa América once but does not count as theirs. The same way, some countries are invited to CONCACAF competitions but it has nothing to do with us, they invite what, 1-2 nations sometimes and not every year. I remember Brazil was invited once but that's all, I usually don't follow their activities. South America has only 10 participant countries at its confederation by the way so if they decided to organize a tournament every year (which is considered counterproductive because of Copa Libertadores -perhaps this was the one you thought about as well but it's a club competition, more or less like the UCL takes the space and it's very popular - after all, we value our club classics too hence why Copa América is at the European summer) it wouldn't be as hard as organizing one for UEFA that has what, 50-60 nations? About the ACN you are right, I guess it's every year or at every 2 years but I'm not sure how it's done, I just watch it when it happens  |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 28, 2015 4:55:54 GMT
From CNN The next step in the FIFA corruption investigation is extradition, whereby federal officials will attempt to bring suspects to the United States to face allegations they arranged bribes at meetings on U.S. soil, That be why they are involved. They are not getting Blatter from that. He hasn't been on US soil for a while. Can they put pressure on these people to do deals & sell out Blatter for other crimes or is only crimes on US soil? Some countries do not allow the extradition of their 'natural' citizens, not sure if Switzerland is one of them. Do you think they'll put the elections on hold because of what happened? |
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Post by ZlattackRed on May 28, 2015 5:01:06 GMT
The Russkies are now crying foul saying USA have been involved in an "illegal,extra-territorial implementation of American Law" Wonder if THEY have anything that they want to keep hidden under the rug? Russia-corruption? The very thought. well, I kinda, sorta agree. What place does the FBI have investigating an orginasiation that isn't even based in the US? Don't get me wrong, FIFA have had this coming but I'm not sure who decided the FBI should be involved US is everywhere. They are the superpowers. Dont want to get into the politics of nations, but US do have the eternal right to interfere in most matters, any nation, any issue.. Happy though that they have caught the right fish this time |
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Post by ZlattackRed on May 28, 2015 5:03:19 GMT
They are not getting Blatter from that. He hasn't been on US soil for a while. Can they put pressure on these people to do deals & sell out Blatter for other crimes or is only crimes on US soil? Some countries do not allow the extradition of their 'natural' citizens, not sure if Switzerland is one of them. Do you think they'll put the elections on hold because of what happened? From what I have read, the elections are on track. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 5:03:35 GMT
They are not getting Blatter from that. He hasn't been on US soil for a while. Can they put pressure on these people to do deals & sell out Blatter for other crimes or is only crimes on US soil? Some countries do not allow the extradition of their 'natural' citizens, not sure if Switzerland is one of them. Do you think they'll put the elections on hold because of what happened? All depends on wether Sepp thinks this helps or hinders him. Are the people being arrested big supporters of him or not. If he think he's going to win the elections will go ahead. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 28, 2015 5:10:11 GMT
Some countries do not allow the extradition of their 'natural' citizens, not sure if Switzerland is one of them. Do you think they'll put the elections on hold because of what happened? From what I have read, the elections are on track. Maybe UEFA's attempt to postpone it will succeed |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 28, 2015 5:13:45 GMT
Some countries do not allow the extradition of their 'natural' citizens, not sure if Switzerland is one of them. Do you think they'll put the elections on hold because of what happened? All depends on wether Sepp thinks this helps or hinders him. Are the people being arrested big supporters of him or not. If he think he's going to win the elections will go ahead. Blatter can't be elected AGAIN |
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Post by ZlattackRed on May 28, 2015 5:28:07 GMT
From what I have read, the elections are on track. Maybe UEFA's attempt to postpone it will succeed Yes, UEFA is trying to postpone it, whereas Asia wants it to go ahead as planned. Blatter is the clear favorite as the only challenger Prince Ali is not expected to garner a lot of support. Other candidates have already withdrawn from the process. If any, the right time is now when the corruption issue is ripe. This is probably the best time to nail Blatter. You never know when it would be swept under the carpet. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 5:30:11 GMT
All depends on wether Sepp thinks this helps or hinders him. Are the people being arrested big supporters of him or not. If he think he's going to win the elections will go ahead. Blatter can't be elected AGAIN Blatter reminds me of the emperor from Star Wars. |
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Post by johnboy14 on May 28, 2015 5:55:03 GMT
I'm quite happy the Americans got involved here, they were handed a goldmine with Chuck Blazer, they basically used him as an insider to make these charges stick. I think Blatters days are numbered to be honest, he doesn't go to the US, so he knows they have something.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 28, 2015 6:00:07 GMT
well, I kinda, sorta agree. What place does the FBI have investigating an orginasiation that isn't even based in the US? Don't get me wrong, FIFA have had this coming but I'm not sure who decided the FBI should be involved US is everywhere. They are the superpowers. Dont want to get into the politics of nations, but US do have the eternal right to interfere in most matters, any nation, any issue.. Happy though that they have caught the right fish this time Are you being serious? |
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Post by ZlattackRed on May 28, 2015 6:28:36 GMT
US is everywhere. They are the superpowers. Dont want to get into the politics of nations, but US do have the eternal right to interfere in most matters, any nation, any issue.. Happy though that they have caught the right fish this time Are you being serious? One of the few things I dislike about US - the all knowing all pervasive attitude. No issues with the people per se, but the White House... Don't want to derail the thread or flare up the issue. Edit: btw just in case it was misunderstood, the bolded part was not a statement of fact but sarcasm |
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Post by swimmityswim on May 28, 2015 7:11:31 GMT
I think the things that got the FBI and US legal system involved were the fact that meetings and corruption took place on US soil, involved US citizens (chuck blazer and some sports marketing people), resulted in the USA putting together a bid for the WC costing millions of dollars and also the fact that money was supposedly laundered through the USA financial system. Once they got sufficiently pissed off they got blazer for tax evasion and tax fraud and turned him on the rest.
They then passed the evidence against the rest to the Swiss authorities to handle the arrests. The officials from the Americas have been extradited. Blatter will be insulated a couple of levels from this wrongdoing but ultimately somebody will roll on him and eventually the entire organisation will be disbanded/bankrupted.
if I'm not mistaken fifa is a non-profit org in Switzerland.
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Post by ManicRed on May 28, 2015 7:14:23 GMT
From CNN The next step in the FIFA corruption investigation is extradition, whereby federal officials will attempt to bring suspects to the United States to face allegations they arranged bribes at meetings on U.S. soil, That be why they are involved. They are not getting Blatter from that. He hasn't been on US soil for a while. Can they put pressure on these people to do deals & sell out Blatter for other crimes or is only crimes on US soil? That had nothing to do with Blatter, any organisation who are suspected of bribes in any country can be investigated by that nation if evidence is provided. Corporation bribes carrys as massive sentence too Considering over 20 FIFA delegates are now unable to leave Swiss its only a matter of time before one of the pigs squeals on Blatter and his world will crumble. This is just the begining. |
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Post by ManicRed on May 28, 2015 7:16:20 GMT
I think the things that got the FBI and US legal system involved were the fact that meetings and corruption took place on US soil, involved US citizens (chuck blazer and some sports marketing people), resulted in the USA putting together a bid for the WC costing millions of dollars and also the fact that money was supposedly laundered through the USA financial system. Once they got sufficiently pissed off they got blazer for tax evasion and tax fraud and turned him on the rest. They then passed the evidence against the rest to the Swiss authorities to handle the arrests. The officials from the Americas have been extradited. Blatter will be insulated a couple of levels from this wrongdoing but ultimately somebody will roll on him and eventually the entire organisation will be disbanded/bankrupted. if I'm not mistaken fifa is a non-profit org in Switzerland. Switzerland was famous for its top secret banking sector! perfect place to hide bribes  |
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