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Post by _ on Sept 11, 2014 22:50:32 GMT
I don't see Danny getting the starting pos personally. I must just not rate him as high as some on here. Even Scholes said he won't ever be a 20 goal a season player. In a team that only has one forward what good is that? personally think wenger would be happy enough if danny ends up with 16/17 goals and a load of assists/key passes. i agree, he's not an out and out striker, but neither is giroud, and danny has at least a better scoring record than sanogo  If there's one player in need of a hyphen it's him Sa-nogo |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 22:55:06 GMT
I don't see Danny getting the starting pos personally. I must just not rate him as high as some on here. Even Scholes said he won't ever be a 20 goal a season player. In a team that only has one forward what good is that? personally think wenger would be happy enough if danny ends up with 16/17 goals and a load of assists/key passes. i agree, he's not an out and out striker, but neither is giroud, and danny has at least a better scoring record than sanogo That's the problem with Wenger. You don't win the league with that. You need a great forward. He's not it. They will probably come 4th again. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 12, 2014 8:09:11 GMT
I actually think Gorgeous Giroud is a pretty out-and-out striker. If he could stay fit for a whole season I reckon he could easily get 25-30 goals.
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Post by . on Sept 12, 2014 18:46:29 GMT
Maybe the lamentations over selling an academy player and local boy is that it is an indictment on the academy itself. For awhile Welbeck was 'proof' that the academy could produce world-class players. Cleverley is another one who had lots of promise (and I like him) but never got to the top level.
And when Welbeck was 19 all of his rushed shots and wayward attempts were chalked up to youth. I think the academy needs to stress finishing a little bit better than it has done. We have so many young players who seem to have more skill and talent even if in other positions: Lingard, Powell, Wilson, et al. If any of those players had been given the 52 matches that Welbeck received...
Also, with Welbeck, Rooney, and Van Persie how high would we finish? Who would rather have Welbeck on the wing than Januzaj, or now DiMaria? And when Rooney or Van Persie gets a knock/suspension this season, who thinks Welbeck could be counted on in those starts to score goals? I don't, and never have thought he was ready for center stage. Who would play Welbeck instead of Falcao?
Welbeck also asked for a transfer in April. I still believe we should have loaned him to an Italian club.
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Post by _ on Sept 12, 2014 19:11:11 GMT
The point is there is a constant stream coming out of the academy that could be top class - Pog and Ravel could be playing for the first team if Ravel hadn't had a bad attitude and Pog didn't think he was ready for the first team before Fergie thought he was (one of the very few mistakes Fergie made in hindsight) Look at other players we've had to let go (Pique, Rossi etc) - both would walk into the United team (if Rossi was fit) - there are players coming through all the time - some like Dano and Clev just don't make the grade - others go for other reasons (having to wait a year or just a greedy agent (or their own greed)) The next big things Wilson, Lingard, Pereira, Pearson etc could make it if they work hard and get a bit of luck - I think a lot of fans just focus on the first team and are totally in the dark when it comes to youth and the first they ever see of this talent is if they make the bench for a Premier game or play in the League Cup United have always produced class and always will - sometimes you get a Giggs or a Scholes come through and sometimes you have to let a Pique go because it's a waste of talent (he was 5th or 6th choice at the time) - the point is there is always class coming through wherever they end up All that fuss over Dano and Clev going but the media and the pundits forget that Adnan, Rafa and Evans are all Academy products too - but obviously they choose the facts that support their argument - we'll probably never have another Class of 92 but one or two top class youth players getting promoted to the first team squad every couple of years will do me nicely  |
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Post by bullseye on Sept 12, 2014 22:25:56 GMT
Maybe the lamentations over selling an academy player and local boy is that it is an indictment on the academy itself. For awhile Welbeck was 'proof' that the academy could produce world-class players. Cleverley is another one who had lots of promise (and I like him) but never got to the top level. And when Welbeck was 19 all of his rushed shots and wayward attempts were chalked up to youth. I think the academy needs to stress finishing a little bit better than it has done. We have so many young players who seem to have more skill and talent even if in other positions: Lingard, Powell, Wilson, et al. If any of those players had been given the 52 matches that Welbeck received... Also, with Welbeck, Rooney, and Van Persie how high would we finish? Who would rather have Welbeck on the wing than Januzaj, or now DiMaria? And when Rooney or Van Persie gets a knock/suspension this season, who thinks Welbeck could be counted on in those starts to score goals? I don't, and never have thought he was ready for center stage. Who would play Welbeck instead of Falcao? Welbeck also asked for a transfer in April. I still believe we should have loaned him to an Italian club. LvG on Wellbeck: After coming back from Sunderland, he has played three seasons for Manchester United. "But he doesn't have the record of Van Persie or Rooney, and that is the standard." That is why we let him go - also because of Falcao, and the youngsters who can fit in." I hope the best of him, but it was the right descision to let him go. We have some great talents who is making the ranks up. Would we rather see them not getting any chances, then having Wellbeck on the bench. Wellbeck deserve to play at top level, and it was a fine gesture from the club to let him have a go as an regular on highest level. |
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Post by gdmm on Sept 13, 2014 21:12:09 GMT
I actually think Gorgeous Giroud is a pretty out-and-out striker. If he could stay fit for a whole season I reckon he could easily get 25-30 goals. Nah, too slow. To lack pace and bang those numbers in, you need to have the instinct and single-mindedness of Ruud. Giroud appears to have neither. |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Sept 13, 2014 21:18:06 GMT
Maybe the lamentations over selling an academy player and local boy is that it is an indictment on the academy itself. For awhile Welbeck was 'proof' that the academy could produce world-class players. Cleverley is another one who had lots of promise (and I like him) but never got to the top level. And when Welbeck was 19 all of his rushed shots and wayward attempts were chalked up to youth. I think the academy needs to stress finishing a little bit better than it has done. We have so many young players who seem to have more skill and talent even if in other positions: Lingard, Powell, Wilson, et al. If any of those players had been given the 52 matches that Welbeck received... Also, with Welbeck, Rooney, and Van Persie how high would we finish? Who would rather have Welbeck on the wing than Januzaj, or now DiMaria? And when Rooney or Van Persie gets a knock/suspension this season, who thinks Welbeck could be counted on in those starts to score goals? I don't, and never have thought he was ready for center stage. Who would play Welbeck instead of Falcao? Welbeck also asked for a transfer in April. I still believe we should have loaned him to an Italian club. LvG on Wellbeck: After coming back from Sunderland, he has played three seasons for Manchester United. "But he doesn't have the record of Van Persie or Rooney, and that is the standard." That is why we let him go - also because of Falcao, and the youngsters who can fit in." I hope the best of him, but it was the right descision to let him go. We have some great talents who is making the ranks up. Would we rather see them not getting any chances, then having Wellbeck on the bench. Wellbeck deserve to play at top level, and it was a fine gesture from the club to let him have a go as an regular on highest level. One word: Wilson |
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Post by bobbynoblefan1 on Oct 2, 2014 12:57:02 GMT
Am I the only red depressed by Welbeck's performance for Arsenal last night? He looked excellent value at 16 million. No I take that back. He was a steal at that price.!! Now I'm not going to judge the new management just yet, but let's say I'm not overly impressed so far. Any United fan knew that we should have kept Welbeck until January at the least.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 2, 2014 13:01:56 GMT
I think last night's performance has to be taken into perspective. Galatasaray were absolutely awful, their defending made United's against Leicester look like the legendary partnership of Cannavaro and Nesta. Once he starts doing it against top clubs then we'll know whether he truly had the potential. I think he did get a rough time at United, regularly being played out of position on the wings and never really getting much of a run in the team. However the story was almost always the same, he'd be falling over himself and missing glaring opportunities all the time and then suddenly score an absolute peach out of nowhere. It was so frustrating. One minute he'd be like Bambi on ice and the next he'd be like Thierry Henry with a wonderful side-footed finish.
That said, the price of £16m was a joke when you consider how much Liverpool paid for shite like Henderson and Carroll. United have always been absolutely awful at getting the best value for their players, the only exception being Ronaldo, and even then you could argue they could have got £100m for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 13:03:58 GMT
Worth sod all sat on our bench
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Post by smithy2 on Oct 2, 2014 13:05:36 GMT
with the players we brought in he was never going to get a look in, good luck to him at Arsenal but for us it's time to move on.
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Post by washyourhands on Oct 2, 2014 13:44:48 GMT
I think last night's performance has to be taken into perspective. Galatasaray were absolutely awful, their defending made United's against Leicester look like the legendary partnership of Cannavaro and Nesta. Once he starts doing it against top clubs then we'll know whether he truly had the potential. I think he did get a rough time at United, regularly being played out of position on the wings and never really getting much of a run in the team. However the story was almost always the same, he'd be falling over himself and missing glaring opportunities all the time and then suddenly score an absolute peach out of nowhere. It was so frustrating. One minute he'd be like Bambi on ice and the next he'd be like Thierry Henry with a wonderful side-footed finish. That said, the price of £16m was a joke when you consider how much Liverpool paid for shite like Henderson and Carroll. United have always been absolutely awful at getting the best value for their players, the only exception being Ronaldo, and even then you could argue they could have got £100m for him. Spot on. Danny has already had Bambi moments in an Arse shirt, most notably when hehad an airshot last week and inadvertently assisted Chamberlain to score. I did say there was a possibility Wenger could improve him NOT into an Henry but along the same lines as other players, including Terry H, transformed under him. At United, he seemed to possess everything except finishing ability. With the technical players Arsenal have and the fluid nature of their play we caught a glimpse of what Welbeck can achieve for them, albeit against very poor opposition. Having said that, he missed sitters for us against the poorest and buried headers against Real Madrid! An enigma. I wish him the best and agree with Dredrevil- the longer he sat on our bench the more his value would depreciate. The price was not as high as it could have been but wasn't as low either. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:04:25 GMT
I actually think Gorgeous Giroud is a pretty out-and-out striker. If he could stay fit for a whole season I reckon he could easily get 25-30 goals. Got that right |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 2:17:15 GMT
I genuinely hope Danny is a success. He's an amazing talent that was here at the wrong time. Played great against Gala
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