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Post by Bestie on Sept 6, 2014 10:30:18 GMT
The majority of the conversations are saying that if it wasnt for Rooney, Kagawa would have been in the starting 11. If Kagawa took his chances and showed in training that he was good enough then he would have played. See, that's wrong. People are saying that if it wasn't for Rooney, Kagawa might have been given a chance in the starting XI IN. HIS. ACTUAL. POSITION.There's a pretty big difference. De Gea as a right-back ... |
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Post by LukeWilson10 on Sept 6, 2014 10:36:46 GMT
The majority of the conversations are saying that if it wasnt for Rooney, Kagawa would have been in the starting 11. If Kagawa took his chances and showed in training that he was good enough then he would have played. See, that's wrong. People are saying that if it wasn't for Rooney, Kagawa might have been given a chance in the starting XI IN. HIS. ACTUAL. POSITION.There's a pretty big difference. De Gea as a right-back ... Surely thats on Kagawa for not impressing enough to push his way into that position? It's not like his never played in his position for United |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 6, 2014 10:38:52 GMT
Kagawa once played in that position when he scored a hat-trick and was then promptly dropped. For Rooney.
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Post by Tatty on Sept 6, 2014 11:10:25 GMT
Rooney isn’t playing good football at the moment and everyone knows this, it’s happened to fall at the moment he got given the captains armband. Captains armband isn’t always something you get given and you’re an instant impact. It’s a learning curve and now with the national captaincy it’s a lot of pressure. As much as you say it Rooney can’t turn down the captaincy of one of the biggest clubs in the world and also your home nation. So to make it out its Rooney’s fault is ridiculous! People are saying he showed fight and passion in pre-season and haven’t delivered once it comes into PL, Who has?? We had an awesome pre-season with fast flowing football and tricky little passes threading through and we haven’t seen that at the start of this PL season. Everyone loves to have a poster boy to boo at and Rooney is now that new person. A lot of people are arguing that it was him that dropped Kagawa but it wasn’t that was Ferguson, Moyes and LVG who decided that he wasn’t in their first team plans. People saying its Rooney fucking up our formations that’s untrue it’s the manager who is picking him that is ruining the formation. He doesn’t get picked he sulks (LIKE EVERY OTHER TOP PLAYER) I say top because he isn’t world class but he is a top player. Rooney plays badly drop him but don’t start to turn on a Manchester United player because he isn’t insisting he should be dropped. We have better options now than him but if he still gets picked its LVG’s decision to pick him over RVP/Falcao and he obviously thinks that Rooney has something different to give. Rooney plays shit and he deserves criticism but not on this scale, his in decline but at 28 year old he can still improve. Don’t turn your backsLike people did to Cleverley and Welbeck? |
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Post by originalskinz87 on Sept 6, 2014 11:12:40 GMT
I think its quite telling that Rooney's best 4 seasons for us we have finished the season empty handed. What is best for Rooney is clearly not the best for the team!
Think Ronnie got it, personal accolades mean nothing if it doesn't help the team...
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Post by ManicRed on Sept 6, 2014 11:24:16 GMT
Rooney may come good again.. he does have a cycle,
Brilliant - Gets more money - becomes shit
Gets good again demands more money, gets more money becomes shit
Still shit and captaincy arm band.. lets wait till he trys getting more money this time!
What we can all agree on he is a media hype! i mean i laughed at his proposed Fifa 15 ultimate team rating! lols..
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Post by originalskinz87 on Sept 6, 2014 11:38:09 GMT
As far as selling Rooney goes i think we have missed our chance. SAF and Mourinho are friends I'm sure SAF told him to put a bid in, £40m would have been a nice parting gift. On current form i don't think we will be able to pull in anywhere near that amount for Rooney and there are not many teams out there that can/want pay his wages. Chelsea play 1 up front and have Costa now so they are out. All the other top teams around Europe that can afford him are well stocked in that position.
For us and Rooney i think the end game is near!
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Post by stonecarver2 on Sept 6, 2014 12:36:56 GMT
Someone on ROM came out with a comment I just love and have used many times since (sorry can't remember who said it).....
Rooney has "the first touch of road bollard" !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 12:43:32 GMT
It saddens me that he wont get his place on merit, however, if he performs well then ill support him.
In an ideal world, I'd rather have Mata over him.
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Post by smithy2 on Sept 6, 2014 13:55:06 GMT
I think its quite telling that Rooney's best 4 seasons for us we have finished the season empty handed. What is best for Rooney is clearly not the best for the team! Think Ronnie got it, personal accolades mean nothing if it doesn't help the team... Did Ronnie say that the day after the champions lg win 2008 when he tried to leverage himself a deal to Real? Or was it the day after that? |
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Post by stringer on Sept 6, 2014 14:13:19 GMT
LOL at this thread
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Post by stringer on Sept 6, 2014 14:16:10 GMT
The majority of the conversations are saying that if it wasnt for Rooney, Kagawa would have been in the starting 11. If Kagawa took his chances and showed in training that he was good enough then he would have played. See, that's wrong. People are saying that if it wasn't for Rooney, Kagawa might have been given a chance in the starting XI IN. HIS. ACTUAL. POSITION.There's a pretty big difference. De Gea as a right-back ... I love the glibness with which you address other people's posts -- "tripe" -- "wrong again" -- "nope" |
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Post by stringer on Sept 6, 2014 14:20:11 GMT
So we shouldn't consider anyone's contribution last season because we finished 7th? That makes zero sense. Nope, that isn't what I said. Rooney is the alleged talisman/heartbeat/vitally important player for our side, so any of his personal contributions have to be measured alongside how those personal contributions benefitted the team. You want to measure 'contribution'? Okay, how're these: Rooney scored twenty-three goals last season. 5 of them were in games we didn't win, and those stats don't include the disgraceful fuck up away at Cardiff that cost us two points when he actually should have been selfish and scored himself but played a fucking awful pass instead. Only 4 of the twenty-three goals were against sides who finished in the top 10 of the League. Of those twenty-three goals, only 3 were against teams that finished above us - one against city (we lost 4-1) and two against Spurs (drew 2-2). He only scored 2 in the European Cup. In one game. The first group game. Are those the sorts of facts you're on about when offering up Wayne Rooney's personal contribution? Undroppable Captain and vital cog in our winning machine? It's ridiculous. No one is responsible for their own play because Rooney ruins everything. Give me a break. Oh dear, wrong again. Or a deliberate strawman, I'm not sure. Okay, so only Rooney's statistics are considered this way. No one else's. Okay. And sorry, "no one" was a strawman. It was only the 5 or so players you listed who had their seasons single handedly ruined by Rooney. |
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Post by stringer on Sept 6, 2014 14:20:51 GMT
Why doesn't the manager of japan play Kagawa in his actual position?
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Post by _ on Sept 6, 2014 14:26:04 GMT
Why doesn't the manager of japan play Kagawa in his actual position? When did Moyes become Japan manager?  |
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