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Post by redcase on Apr 12, 2016 13:24:00 GMT
Also, in the age of mercenary players, you really need to have at least a few who really cherish playing for the club they grew up at. Yeah. Barcelona apply that strategy. Most of their bench are academy pupils who aren't good enough to start but do a job when asked. Because they love their club. We need that . Every club needs that . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 13:49:30 GMT
I think he receives a lot of unfair criticism. No, he's not a world beater but he's had a better season than most (which admittedly isn't that tough to do). He's someone you can rely on, you know he'll give 110% every game and as said above he absolutely cherishes playing for the club.
Having said that I don't believe he should be starting every game but I think the fact he does just highlights the lack of quality at the club. I also think his competition don't do themselves any favours either. Do Memphis and Januzaj have more talent than him? Yes, no doubt. Do they show the same commitment he does in every game? Not even close, which is why he starts over them and will probably continue to do so until they start to show the same commitment.
His talent is being played down. He does have an eye for goal and has always shown that, ok he's only scored 5 goals this season but nobody is performing particularly well in that count. I also think he's shown some good link up play throughout the season. He does show a lack of composure at times though, which is something he still has time to improve on. He's more of an instinctive finisher than a clinical one.
I think he's a reliable squad player and lets not forget he's still very inexperienced at this level himself. It's his first season and he's got plenty of time to improve. Taking that into account I think he's done quite well in his first season at this level.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 14:35:20 GMT
Reckon if everybody just agrees he'll be a squad player and never anymore than that, which I think most do, we can just lock this thread down.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Apr 12, 2016 14:41:29 GMT
Reckon if everybody just agrees he'll be a squad player and never anymore than that, which I think most do, we can just lock this thread down. Reckon a single season, especially under Van Gaal, is too early to tell. Fletcher was positively written off for a season or two before he (sort of) performed at his peak, Lingard deserves way more time before we can make these statements. People can slag his goal return, not being clinical n all that, but I'd say he could have had at least 5 more goals this season, with experience he'll bury more chances. I'd keep him around, enjoy having him at the club and still has a great deal of potential, didn't Fergie also predict he'll develop late? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 14:46:06 GMT
Reckon if everybody just agrees he'll be a squad player and never anymore than that, which I think most do, we can just lock this thread down. Fletcher was positively written off for a season or two before he (sort of) performed at his peak, Lingard deserves way more time before we can make these statements. People can slag his goal return, not being clinical n all that, but I'd say he could have had at least 5 more goals this season, with experience he'll bury more chances. I'd keep him around, enjoy having him at the club and still has a great deal of potential, didn't Fergie also predict he'll develop late? Fair point.... |
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Post by redcase on Apr 12, 2016 14:55:29 GMT
Reckon if everybody just agrees he'll be a squad player and never anymore than that, which I think most do, we can just lock this thread down. Reckon a single season, especially under Van Gaal, is too early to tell. Fletcher was positively written off for a season or two before he (sort of) performed at his peak, Lingard deserves way more time before we can make these statements. People can slag his goal return, not being clinical n all that, but I'd say he could have had at least 5 more goals this season, with experience he'll bury more chances. I'd keep him around, enjoy having him at the club and still has a great deal of potential, didn't Fergie also predict he'll develop late? Compared him to Jean Tigana.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 15:03:06 GMT
Reckon a single season, especially under Van Gaal, is too early to tell. Fletcher was positively written off for a season or two before he (sort of) performed at his peak, Lingard deserves way more time before we can make these statements. People can slag his goal return, not being clinical n all that, but I'd say he could have had at least 5 more goals this season, with experience he'll bury more chances. I'd keep him around, enjoy having him at the club and still has a great deal of potential, didn't Fergie also predict he'll develop late? Compared him to Jean Tigana.. He also thought Jones would be better than Edwards, and Rafael/Park were better CM's than Pogba. Swings n' Roundabouts |
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Post by Bestie on Apr 12, 2016 15:06:14 GMT
I think he receives a lot of unfair criticism. No, he's not a world beater but he's had a better season than most (which admittedly isn't that tough to do). He's someone you can rely on, you know he'll give 110% every game and as said above he absolutely cherishes playing for the club. Having said that I don't believe he should be starting every game but I think the fact he does just highlights the lack of quality at the club. I also think his competition don't do themselves any favours either. Do Memphis and Januzaj have more talent than him? Yes, no doubt. Do they show the same commitment he does in every game? Not even close, which is why he starts over them and will probably continue to do so until they start to show the same commitment. His talent is being played down. He does have an eye for goal and has always shown that, ok he's only scored 5 goals this season but nobody is performing particularly well in that count. I also think he's shown some good link up play throughout the season. He does show a lack of composure at times though, which is something he still has time to improve on. He's more of an instinctive finisher than a clinical one. I think he's a reliable squad player and lets not forget he's still very inexperienced at this level himself. It's his first season and he's got plenty of time to improve. Taking that into account I think he's done quite well in his first season at this level. How is it possible that this myth is still clinging on? He clearly doesn't have that good of an eye for goal considering he's scored about 15 goals in 80 something first team appearences (us and on loan). Also, how is he "someone you can rely on". Rely on for what? Run around a lot? Take the easy option, shirk responsibility to make a decision? You can definitely rely on him for that. Number of times he receives a pass and simply passes back to the man who gave it to him is woeful. That isn't something that generally changes with experience. That's a mental thing. I'd like for him to be good, but right now he isn't either reliable or a goal scorer. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 17:44:17 GMT
Is 15 in 80 supposed to be a really bad statistic for someone who isn't a striker and hasn't played in great teams? Birmingham were shite when he went there and Derby/Brighton weren't table toppers. Then he's played in a United side this season completely devoid of quality attacking play yet has still managed to bag himself a few goals. That stat is hardly proof that he doesn't have an eye for goal.
As for his reliability, I was referring to always being guaranteed a committed performance from him. I also disagree about you saying he always turns backwards when he gets possession. The best thing I've liked about him this season, particularly earlier on when he was in better form is that he was one of very few players who looked to move the ball forward as soon as he could.
And again people need to consider this is his first season of first team football for us. People are so eager for local lads and academy players to come through yet don't seem willing to give him the time to progress. He's had a better season than many in this squad.
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Post by NR7 on Apr 12, 2016 17:50:18 GMT
Doubt he will ever become better than a handy squad player. Put it this way, don't sell him but not use that as an excuse to stop strengthening RW position.
Lingard hasn't shown a great deal of dribbling ability and that does not come with age or experience.
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Post by NR7 on Apr 12, 2016 18:04:24 GMT
Also, in the age of mercenary players, you really need to have at least a few who really cherish playing for the club they grew up at. Yeah. Barcelona apply that strategy. Most of their bench are academy pupils who aren't good enough to start but do a job when asked. Because they love their club. We need that . Every club needs that . Eventually, the ones with ambition leave like our very own Welbeck. Bojan, Deloufleu did. Barca fans don't seem to rate their replacements in Haddadi and Ramirez either. Point is, not to stack up squad with academy players just for the romantic notion. There has to be a minimum standard for that too. Passion, love etc will only make up so much for lack of talent. This is not aimed at Lingard btw. |
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Post by Sméagol on May 22, 2016 0:14:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 1:22:54 GMT
He's living the dream. Everything we felt he would have felt x100. |
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Post by redmanc66 on May 22, 2016 1:44:57 GMT
Does anyone think Pogba made the wrong move?
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Post by dazjoe on May 22, 2016 2:01:27 GMT
It's good to have home grown players around, especially one's who are boyhood fans of the club. But there are a lot better options out there we should go for, let's not let one goal disguise that.
Personally, I'd like it if Mourinho sat him down in the summer and told him "Your not a bad little player, but I'm looking at bringing someone else in. I'd be happy to have you around, it is a squad game after all; but I have to be honest with you and let you know your not likely to get more than a handful of starts next season, 10 max. You can stay here, playing for the team you've loved all your life, and accept your role as a bit part squad player, and try to impress me enough to force my hand to play you more. Or if you feel you need/deserve regular 1st team football, then I can let you go. I'll find you a good club to go to and won't demand too much money to put off potential buyers. The choice is yours."
I'm made up for him, genuinely I am, scoring the winner in the cup final for United? Fuck, I still dream that I might do that one day and I'm 38. And I don't want to be a downer on the best day of his career, just pointing out that this one goal doesn't suddenly mean all us doubters were wrong and he should be a regular, any more than Lee Martin's goal meant we should never have signed Irwin and just made Martin our 1st team left back throughout the '90's.
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