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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Apr 8, 2017 2:33:20 GMT
Still funny how moyes gets all the blame.
Bit like blaming Lingard for accepting his nice new contract.
Would be funny to see the range of excuses trotted out if fergie had nominated some on here for the job.
That last part should help shape the upcoming answers btw.
And for the terminally dense: The board didn't pick him of their own accord. They took the recommendation of someone who should have known a lot better.
Something that still seems to be ignored
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 4:50:17 GMT
Still funny how moyes gets all the blame. Bit like blaming Lingard for accepting his nice new contract. Would be funny to see the range of excuses trotted out if fergie had nominated some on here for the job. That last part should help shape the upcoming answers btw. And for the terminally dense: The board didn't pick him of their own accord. They took the recommendation of someone who should have known a lot better. Something that still seems to be ignored Main thing I blame Moyes for is Fellaini. For that reason he is a cockwomble. |
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Post by Bestie on Apr 8, 2017 7:55:20 GMT
Still funny how moyes gets all the blame. Bit like blaming Lingard for accepting his nice new contract. Would be funny to see the range of excuses trotted out if fergie had nominated some on here for the job. That last part should help shape the upcoming answers btw. And for the terminally dense: The board didn't pick him of their own accord. They took the recommendation of someone who should have known a lot better. Something that still seems to be ignored Don't know that anyone has 'blamed' Lingard in fairness. I've seen more people complaining the contract was offered by the club/manager in the first place. This line of 'Fergie picked him, you can't blame Moyes for not being up to it!' is horseshit. You absolutely can blame him. Moyes gets all the blame because he was handed the opportunity raise himself to our level. Instead he dragged us down to his. Simple as that. And he still refuses to take any responsibility for it. Spineless, no-mark cunt. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Apr 8, 2017 8:19:52 GMT
Still funny how moyes gets all the blame. Bit like blaming Lingard for accepting his nice new contract. Would be funny to see the range of excuses trotted out if fergie had nominated some on here for the job. That last part should help shape the upcoming answers btw. And for the terminally dense: The board didn't pick him of their own accord. They took the recommendation of someone who should have known a lot better. Something that still seems to be ignored Don't know that anyone has 'blamed' Lingard in fairness. I've seen more people complaining the contract was offered by the club/manager in the first place. This line of 'Fergie picked him, you can't blame Moyes for not being up to it!' is horseshit. You absolutely can blame him. Moyes gets all the blame because he was handed the opportunity raise himself to our level. Instead he dragged us down to his. Simple as that.And he still refuses to take any responsibility for it. Spineless, no-mark cunt. Like, imagine you're offered the chance to manage to the biggest club in England by the greatest ever manager. Would you take it, or would you pass up the chance at greatness even if there was only a remote chance of success? Think we'd all have a go, it's not entirely his fault he wasn't up to it - very few managers would be. For that reason I think the meltdown started at the decision to appoint him in the first place - imagine we'd appointed someone half-competent. |
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Post by Bestie on Apr 8, 2017 8:23:26 GMT
Don't know that anyone has 'blamed' Lingard in fairness. I've seen more people complaining the contract was offered by the club/manager in the first place. This line of 'Fergie picked him, you can't blame Moyes for not being up to it!' is horseshit. You absolutely can blame him. Moyes gets all the blame because he was handed the opportunity raise himself to our level. Instead he dragged us down to his. Simple as that.And he still refuses to take any responsibility for it. Spineless, no-mark cunt. Like, imagine you're offered the chance to manage to the biggest club in England by the greatest ever manager. Would you take it, or would you pass up the chance at greatness even if there was only a remote chance of success? Think we'd all have a go, it's not entirely his fault he wasn't up to it - very few managers would be. For that reason I think the meltdown started at the decision to appoint him in the first place - imagine we'd appointed someone half-competent. Of course you'd take it. It's what happened virtually immediately after taking the job. Not once did he act like a United manager. Act as though ye have faith and faith shall be given to you. At least try to fill the size of the job, even if you aren't up to it. Moyes didn't even attempt it. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Apr 8, 2017 8:29:04 GMT
Like, imagine you're offered the chance to manage to the biggest club in England by the greatest ever manager. Would you take it, or would you pass up the chance at greatness even if there was only a remote chance of success? Think we'd all have a go, it's not entirely his fault he wasn't up to it - very few managers would be. For that reason I think the meltdown started at the decision to appoint him in the first place - imagine we'd appointed someone half-competent. Of course you'd take it. It's what happened virtually immediately after taking the job. Not once did he act like a United manager. Act as though ye have faith and faith shall be given to you. At least try to fill the size of the job, even if you aren't up to it. Moyes didn't even attempt it. Don't think it's fair to say he didn't try, I think the size ofthe club absolutely broke him - it's another beast entirely and he was very quickly overrun, reaching out to things that worked at Everton and not having the authority to do what needs to be done with the squad. He wasn't up to the job and he crumbled, it would have happened with 80% of the managers in the league, particularly right after Fergie. If anything, his pride in trying to continue in spite of knowing it was going downhill and his insistence on more time grinded my gears, he couldn't let it go and he dragged our reputation and image through the dirt as a result. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 9:01:45 GMT
The biggest problem we've had post Ferguson is a lack of direction and understand of how Manchester United does football. If Moyes had kept Muelensteen and Phelan like he was meant too we'd have cruised to the top 4.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Apr 8, 2017 10:05:56 GMT
The comparison with the Berties did it for me, I'd've cheerfully shot him!
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Post by Bestie on Apr 8, 2017 11:11:45 GMT
Of course you'd take it. It's what happened virtually immediately after taking the job. Not once did he act like a United manager. Act as though ye have faith and faith shall be given to you. At least try to fill the size of the job, even if you aren't up to it. Moyes didn't even attempt it. Don't think it's fair to say he didn't try, I think the size ofthe club absolutely broke him - it's another beast entirely and he was very quickly overrun, reaching out to things that worked at Everton and not having the authority to do what needs to be done with the squad. He wasn't up to the job and he crumbled, it would have happened with 80% of the managers in the league, particularly right after Fergie. If anything, his pride in trying to continue in spite of knowing it was going downhill and his insistence on more time grinded my gears, he couldn't let it go and he dragged our reputation and image through the dirt as a result. All he did was try. First thing he did was walk in and talk about how he wanted to 'try'. We're in the top three biggest clubs in the world, we don't fucking try. We do. Then he promptly replaced serial winners with serial also-rans. Useless coward. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 11:40:03 GMT
On Moyes being at fault though, Fergie advised him to keep the backroom staff...he didn't, he chose to remove them and bring his own line of baffoons in so for me he deserves all the shit he gets.
I still say to this day, had he not got rid of the backroom staff when he did, he would have probably done a better job in that first season.
Also he signed Fellaini ffs!!
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Post by Stew on Apr 8, 2017 11:47:37 GMT
Fergie deserves criticism for picking that hump.
The board deserves criticism for not thanking Fergie and then conducting their own search.
Moyes deserves criticism for being utterly fucking useless.
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Post by Karma on Apr 8, 2017 17:47:55 GMT
The biggest problem we've had post Ferguson is a lack of direction and understand of how Manchester United does football. If Moyes had kept Muelensteen and Phelan like he was meant too we'd have cruised to the top 4. Other managers wouldn't have been expected to keep the backroom staff from the previous manager. He needed to be his own man. Fergie was sold a dummy big time and both him and the club showed incredible naivity. What has happened to Moyes since just highlights the feck up by the club. Thankfully they passed on the Giggs project. Shudder! |
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Post by juanveron on Apr 8, 2017 18:01:48 GMT
For me it's pretty simple, David Moyes was the wrong man in the wrong time. I'm pretty confident that even if we had appointed a serial winner (Jose, Pep or Ancelotti) the first 2 seasons would've still been tough, the team had a lot of dead weight and plenty of players who were past their best. That being said, we would've still made it to the top 4.
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Post by Karma on Apr 8, 2017 18:08:34 GMT
For me it's pretty simple, David Moyes was the wrong man in the wrong time. I'm pretty confident that even if we had appointed a serial winner (Jose, Pep or Ancelotti) the first 2 seasons would've still been tough, the team had a lot of dead weight and plenty of players who were past their best. That being said, we would've still made it to the top 4. I don't think Rooney would have been given the keys to the kingdom either. It was as if he was bigger than the club at one point.... |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 8, 2017 19:04:18 GMT
Still think moyes was one of the case where Fergie fucked up. that the 'chosen one' went against Fergie's advice to bring his own backroom staff who has done fuck all at everton further sealed our fate.but its clear now he was nowhere near good enough.
3 years is a lot of time to waste in football , especially in the PL.and now we are paying the price
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