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Post by caino on Dec 18, 2017 8:44:08 GMT
People pick up on different things to me the most important part of a team is the midfield, it protects the defence and supplies the forwards and I think it’s where we need sorting out the most, we’ve seen the effect of not having a Pogba has had and it needs overhauling in the summer, get the midfield right and rest will fall into place. agree completely. It goes to show how weak we are when pogba is out. it took for Matic to step forward from his holding position and do something for us to get chances and goals. Herrera this year has been the most disappointing player for me. he is doing absolutely nothing. I used to be a massive fan of his too. Jose's subs are turd. Martial should have been brought on for rashford 10 minutes earlier, Shaw should have been brought on for Tony V. Martial could have at least ran at them and put them on the back foot before they got back into the game. rashford had a couple of chances to do something and fluffed them. I do not understand why and how we are so bad in second halves. this isn't the first time and I doubt it will be the last. is it coming from the manager at half time to try see the game out with as little energy as needed? either way its awful viewing. we might be doing well in the campaign but we seriously need some new players. also good to see Rom score again and Im not arsed about him not celebrating. Balotelli doesn't and hes applauded for it, even Martial hardly does. Rom knows he has work to do. id rather him be stone cold than run around like hes won the world cup every time. |
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Post by On a break on Dec 18, 2017 8:52:16 GMT
People pick up on different things to me the most important part of a team is the midfield, it protects the defence and supplies the forwards and I think it’s where we need sorting out the most, we’ve seen the effect of not having a Pogba has had and it needs overhauling in the summer, get the midfield right and rest will fall into place. agree completely. It goes to show how weak we are when pogba is out. it took for Matic to step forward from his holding position and do something for us to get chances and goals. Herrera this year has been the most disappointing player for me. he is doing absolutely nothing. I used to be a massive fan of his too. Jose's subs are turd. Martial should have been brought on for rashford 10 minutes earlier, Shaw should have been brought on for Tony V. Martial could have at least ran at them and put them on the back foot before they got back into the game. rashford had a couple of chances to do something and fluffed them. I do not understand why and how we are so bad in second halves. this isn't the first time and I doubt it will be the last. is it coming from the manager at half time to try see the game out with as little energy as needed? either way its awful viewing. we might be doing well in the campaign but we seriously need some new players. also good to see Rom score again and Im not arsed about him not celebrating. Balotelli doesn't and hes applauded for it, even Martial hardly does. Rom knows he has work to do. id rather him be stone cold than run around like hes won the world cup every time. Im starting to wonder if Jose actually says anything at half time because as you say we go slowly off the boil as the game goes on, his lack of giving any shits during the game is starting to become annoying. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 18, 2017 9:08:23 GMT
It's typical Mourinho. Get 2-0 up and shut up shop. Don't know why I or any of us were deluded enough to think he might change.
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Post by caino on Dec 18, 2017 10:05:42 GMT
theres shutting up shop and stopping playing. surely its easier to keep the ball and move them around than defending for 45 minutes and bringing yourself under pressure. we struggle to pass the ball consecutively for a long period of time. id rather play/watch tik-a-taka than defend.
I mean they know how to pass, as all LVG had them doing was pass pass pass.
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Post by juanveron on Dec 18, 2017 12:06:50 GMT
It wasn’t that long ago that we scored 3-4 goals several times on second halves. Jose’s subs as well - wasn’t it like 3 months ago that he kept bringing Rashford/Marital+Fellaini on to completely change the dynamic of our play and to us scoring plenty of goals?
I guess it’s easy to forget that when anything we currently do feels insignificant in comparison to what City are doing. I don’t like defending Jose, especially after a game like this in which his subs made zero sense to me, but really - you gotta look at the whole picture before saying certain things.. I’m just happy we won in a game we messed up several times in recent years.
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Post by troubleontheway on Dec 18, 2017 12:12:48 GMT
I appreciate that our points tally looks pretty good compared to previous seasons.
I also recognise that we are miles off City, both in terms of points and quality of football.
There's just no denying it.
They are fucking good.
So what if they've bought their way to it. So what if Pep is a pretentious twat who's never quite done it without an all-star team.
We're in the same competition as them and all that matters is that we're way behind them.
I don't want to talk about our history.
I don't want to talk about how we've earned our money while theirs is injected into the club by corrupt, slave-driving owners.
Fuck that victim mentality.
We just need to be better than them.
If that means replacing the whole squad bar a few, so be it.
We need 2 world class players in every position. Nothing less.
Otherwise there is a lot more pain to come- those bastards won't slow down any time soon.
Time to accept the reality and fucking do something about it.
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Post by _ on Dec 18, 2017 13:43:53 GMT
I wouldn't get overly depressed about or get carried away by City. They have been planning this for 10 years and spent blah blah and it's all contingent on one manager who is notoriously independent and may fuck off in one or 2 years.
I honestly believe if we had a striker who turned up in big games we would be within a point or 2 now, despite the fact we are 3/4 players away from a really good team. We will improve the squad this January and summer "bigly" The market is interesting there are players we need whose contracts are run down and top talent that is available.
Guardiola for all the hype hasn't been to a CL final in 7 years! Fucking hell we may even get to one this year who knows! We are a decent team, if a bit defensive at times, but probably 3/4 really good players away from something excellent and I'm sure that will happen by next summer. Finally!
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 18, 2017 16:35:49 GMT
Getting 2 world class players in every position takes time. Ideally you could just buy them "world class" ready but then we'd be looking at a potentially half a billion outlay on transfers based on current prices. The club isn't going to spend that in one summer. We need to bank on potential. City bought players like Silva, Aguero, Stones, KDB, Sterling, Sane and Jesus who were arguably not "world class" when they got them. They've had a head start on us with some of the quality of their transfer business so naturally they are going to see the results of that sooner.
Right now we arguably only have 3 or 4 world class players: De Gea, Pogba, Ibra (class but fading) and Matic (debatable). We then have players who are developing into world class talents and/or have the potential to be world class players in Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Bailly and Lindeloff. I'd argue to put Jones in that bracket too based on this form the past few years. Then we have a large chunk of good and serviceable players like Herrera, Smalling, Young etc.
We need to buy better and younger. I can see the merits in getting Ozil as an immediate fix but he's also 30 next year. Patience is needed. We had 3 wasted years with Moyes and LVG when it seemed like our transfer strategy was to spend for the sake of spending.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 17:05:15 GMT
Sad fact is if Jose would have pulled his head out of his arse we'd probably be closer to city than we currently are.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 18, 2017 17:28:25 GMT
Sad fact is if Jose would have pulled his head out of his arse we'd probably be closer to city than we currently are. The Stoke draw and Huddersfield loss weren't on Jose. We do our job in those two games and the gap is only 6 points. Add to the fact that citeh lucked out three late wins, which could have been draws. Generally a record of 2 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses against the other top teams is good enough but not this year. |
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Post by . on Dec 18, 2017 17:42:31 GMT
Sad fact is if Jose would have pulled his head out of his arse we'd probably be closer to city than we currently are. If Greasy had come in the summer, how close would we be? If we're looking to be miles better than City, yeah, we need a complete overhaul, but we've only drawn 2 and lost 3 in the league. Had we not underestimated Huddersfield and had we taken our chances against City, the gap would be 2 points. Greasy would have been enough I think, assuming Pogba didn't get suspended/injured. Considering how many games Pogba has missed it's kind of remarkable we are still in 2nd place. That's the competitive side, as far as the eye-catching side, I don't think anyone here was ever deluded enough to think Mouriho's style would be more pleasing than Guardiola's. I think the competitive and the attractive displays are two separate issues. |
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Post by redcase on Dec 18, 2017 18:33:02 GMT
Sad fact is if Jose would have pulled his head out of his arse we'd probably be closer to city than we currently are. Kindly explain. I'd love to know how exactly Jose has kept his head in his arse. Because I get the criticism of style and attacking ability, but this is news to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:15:11 GMT
Sad fact is if Jose would have pulled his head out of his arse we'd probably be closer to city than we currently are. Kindly explain. I'd love to know how exactly Jose has kept his head in his arse. Because I get the criticism of style and attacking ability, but this is news to me. That's my point. The style of football we're playing and the fact he refuses to change it even though its clearly been a problem, especially away from home. That's my opinion on it anyway. The Liverpool game and city game are two that have especially hit a nerve this season and I cant shake off the approach to either. |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Dec 18, 2017 20:22:40 GMT
Kindly explain. I'd love to know how exactly Jose has kept his head in his arse. Because I get the criticism of style and attacking ability, but this is news to me. That's my point. The style of football we're playing and the fact he refuses to change it even though its clearly been a problem, especially away from home. That's my opinion on it anyway. The Liverpool game and city game are two that have especially hit a nerve this season and I cant shake off the approach to either. Begs the question - do you want to be entertained or do you want United to lift silverware? Mourinho cannot do both. |
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Post by On a break on Dec 18, 2017 21:06:59 GMT
There are positives for sure but there’s still too much wrong, Jose is too cautious and we should have taken the game to the scousers and won, citeh didn’t even have to play well to get a win at ours and that was unforgivable.
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