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Post by _ on Dec 27, 2017 13:36:48 GMT
Mourinho should ask himself how he has spent also. How does a 90M player and striker contribute a net negative in important games. Lukaku has been directly responsible for 4 goals conceded in atrocious defending and missed clear opportunities you would expect finished in very important games from a 90M pound player! If he was on RVP, Aguero of old form or made the contribution that Kane makes now, we would on par with City. I mean FFS if he wasn't so totally shit in basic defending we would probably be 5 points adrift never mind scoring his chances
Pogba's petulance and distracted attitude has also been costly. He's a mix of talent and production but also immaturity in his play. There's no way he should be given the captains armband. Lindelof is not reliable or good enough. You could argue that he will be good all you like, but we needed an experienced leader in there, not a player who may be good in a year or two and it's a big if!
The Lukaku thing is partly the club and Moyes fault for not investing in top forwards hanging onto Rooney, before Jose came, but Ibra was always a very temporary solution. That left us in an inflated market with not a lot on offer, but he is a Mourinho type striker
We have to play Everton away Burnley away and Spurs away in January and you could easily see this side end up in a 4th place battle again if we are not careful. We are currently only 5 points off 5th never mind the top!
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 27, 2017 14:04:47 GMT
Jose isn’t wrong though in his assessment of transfer spending. City’s outlay on fbs alone almost matched our spending for the entire summer and was greater than some of ther other clubs in the top 6. Generally all of his signings have been good but for Mkhi. Lindelof is a young CB but has a ton of potential. Lukaku is on a bad patch of form but will get us 25 to 30 goals. He has to clear out some of LVG’s deadwood signings in Darmian, Blind and arguably Rojo. Fellaini is likely leaving and Carrick will be retiring. There may be at least 6 to 7 departures from now to the summer. I say give Jose another window to make his mark on this team.
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Post by RAZ on Dec 27, 2017 14:53:19 GMT
Jose isn’t wrong though in his assessment of transfer spending. City’s outlay on fbs alone almost matched our spending for the entire summer and was greater than some of ther other clubs in the top 6. Generally all of his signings have been good but for Mkhi. Lindelof is a young CB but has a ton of potential. Lukaku is on a bad patch of form but will get us 25 to 30 goals. He has to clear out some of LVG’s deadwood signings in Darmian, Blind and arguably Rojo. Fellaini is likely leaving and Carrick will be retiring. There may be at least 6 to 7 departures from now to the summer. I say give Jose another window to make his mark on this team. thanks for this post |
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Post by Karma on Dec 27, 2017 15:51:47 GMT
I was actually about to post that all the negativity surrounding our team and form started with the Anfield display. Demanding your progressing side to regress into something they used to be was an awful mistake my Mourinho. It’s also no coincidence that the impact of losing to City at home is identical to the one from last season: playing a lot more defensively, everyone is on edge and the results are horrific. Blame the transfer budget all you want Jose, saying it won’t make it true. I disagree. I think the negativity started after the City game. I think the games against Arsenal and Watford were great prior to that and we should have buried Leicester. How many times have we gone to Anfield and won well before Jose arrived? Actually how many times have we even played well at Anfield never mind got a result. We've played shit there for years. You could argue the same for Chelsea away. The abomination was the Huddersfield game. The league is practically a foregone conclusion and I think the players are deflated but need to snap out of it. Still 2 competitions to consider,3 if you believe in miracles. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 27, 2017 15:56:05 GMT
I was actually about to post that all the negativity surrounding our team and form started with the Anfield display. Demanding your progressing side to regress into something they used to be was an awful mistake my Mourinho. It’s also no coincidence that the impact of losing to City at home is identical to the one from last season: playing a lot more defensively, everyone is on edge and the results are horrific. Blame the transfer budget all you want Jose, saying it won’t make it true. I disagree. I think the negativity started after the City game. I think the games against Arsenal and Watford were great prior to that and we should have buried Leicester. How many times have we gone to Anfield and won well before Jose arrived? Actually how many times have we even played well at Anfield never mind got a result. We've played shit there for years. You could argue the same for Chelsea away. The abomination was the Huddersfield game. The league is practically a foregone conclusion and I think the players are deflated but need to snap out of it. Still 2 competitions to consider,3 if you believe in miracles. The downturn in form began at Anfield. We went from scoring plenty (albeit late in games to add gloss rather than genuinely thrilling performances) to scared, negative, tactics overnight. The momentum was lost with that performance. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Dec 27, 2017 16:11:36 GMT
Honestly whats the point in giving jose even more money in the summer the football is never going to change and his attitude in certain games especialy the big 1s will never change,
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 27, 2017 16:29:21 GMT
I disagree. I think the negativity started after the City game. I think the games against Arsenal and Watford were great prior to that and we should have buried Leicester. How many times have we gone to Anfield and won well before Jose arrived? Actually how many times have we even played well at Anfield never mind got a result. We've played shit there for years. You could argue the same for Chelsea away. The abomination was the Huddersfield game. The league is practically a foregone conclusion and I think the players are deflated but need to snap out of it. Still 2 competitions to consider,3 if you believe in miracles. The downturn in form began at Anfield. We went from scoring plenty (albeit late in games to add gloss rather than genuinely thrilling performances) to scared, negative, tactics overnight. The momentum was lost with that performance. We had good results after Anfield. The win at the Emirates should have carried us thru but I think the Pogba red deflated that momentum. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 27, 2017 16:40:25 GMT
The downturn in form began at Anfield. We went from scoring plenty (albeit late in games to add gloss rather than genuinely thrilling performances) to scared, negative, tactics overnight. The momentum was lost with that performance. We had good results after Anfield. The win at the Emirates should have carried us thru but I think the Pogba red deflated that momentum. Good results yes. Good performances less so. I can think of Spurs, parts of vs. Watford, and being clinical against Arsenal. Can also think of a lot of ground out results against really very average sides, and losses both in bankers and big games. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 16:52:12 GMT
We had good results after Anfield. The win at the Emirates should have carried us thru but I think the Pogba red deflated that momentum. Good results yes. Good performances less so. I can think of Spurs, parts of vs. Watford, and being clinical against Arsenal. Can also think of a lot of ground out results against really very average sides, and losses both in bankers and big games. Saturday will show the difference in terms of squad quality compared to others. Spurs put 5 past Southampton with ease. Lets see how we compare to that. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Dec 27, 2017 16:57:33 GMT
I’m hoping that José has a moment of clarity and takes Rom out of the team for the next 2 or 3 games for his own sake, his confidence looks totally shot, and it won’t harm him in the long run.
He can do no right at present,although I am stubbornly refusing to give up on him.
Yet.
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Post by juanveron on Dec 27, 2017 17:26:41 GMT
I was actually about to post that all the negativity surrounding our team and form started with the Anfield display. Demanding your progressing side to regress into something they used to be was an awful mistake my Mourinho. It’s also no coincidence that the impact of losing to City at home is identical to the one from last season: playing a lot more defensively, everyone is on edge and the results are horrific. Blame the transfer budget all you want Jose, saying it won’t make it true. I disagree. I think the negativity started after the City game. I think the games against Arsenal and Watford were great prior to that and we should have buried Leicester. How many times have we gone to Anfield and won well before Jose arrived? Actually how many times have we even played well at Anfield never mind got a result. We've played shit there for years. You could argue the same for Chelsea away. The abomination was the Huddersfield game. The league is practically a foregone conclusion and I think the players are deflated but need to snap out of it. Still 2 competitions to consider,3 if you believe in miracles. I Agree - in an almost identical way to last season, our home defeat to city has deflated the team (both squad and manager) and has resulted in a really poor run of performances. I never claimed that we used to go to Anfield or Stamford Bridge and play our best football, I did say that the negativity surrounding the team this season started after our game vs. Liverpool because of the way Jose chose to set the team to play there. Like Bestie said, it's quite clear that we lost a lot of momentum after that game. In regards to the Watford and Arsenal games, I enjoyed both a lot - but we were incredibly lucky vs. Arsenal, any other day that game would've been a draw or worse. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 27, 2017 18:24:33 GMT
I disagree. I think the negativity started after the City game. I think the games against Arsenal and Watford were great prior to that and we should have buried Leicester. How many times have we gone to Anfield and won well before Jose arrived? Actually how many times have we even played well at Anfield never mind got a result. We've played shit there for years. You could argue the same for Chelsea away. The abomination was the Huddersfield game. The league is practically a foregone conclusion and I think the players are deflated but need to snap out of it. Still 2 competitions to consider,3 if you believe in miracles. I Agree - in an almost identical way to last season, our home defeat to city has deflated the team (both squad and manager) and has resulted in a really poor run of performances. I never claimed that we used to go to Anfield or Stamford Bridge and play our best football, I did say that the negativity surrounding the team this season started after our game vs. Liverpool because of the way Jose chose to set the team to play there. Like Bestie said, it's quite clear that we lost a lot of momentum after that game. In regards to the Watford and Arsenal games, I enjoyed both a lot - but we were incredibly lucky vs. Arsenal, any other day that game would've been a draw or worse. We were lucky against Arsenal but they were also very lucky last season at Old Trafford in another game where we should have finished them off but didn't. I also think we are carrying too many players at the moment who seem to be spending too much time licking their wounds. Rashford has joined the Miki and Herrera club of what the feck was that and his form has been poor for some time now. |
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Post by . on Dec 27, 2017 18:45:28 GMT
I’m hoping that José has a moment of clarity and takes Rom out of the team for the next 2 or 3 games for his own sake, his confidence looks totally shot, and it won’t harm him in the long run. He can do no right at present,although I am stubbornly refusing to give up on him. Yet. Don't do this to yourself: you know Lukaku is starting and playing the full 90. It's kind of like Fellaini Syndrome all over again. |
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Post by king nothing on Dec 27, 2017 18:56:17 GMT
Makes me wonder if he has something in contract, if he's fit he plays.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 27, 2017 19:24:30 GMT
I can see why we want Lukaku benched but how does it help when he's already likely low on confidence? It could possibly compound the problem. I think Jose is hoping that he'll play thru this and start banging in the goals again.
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