|
|
Post by juanveron on Mar 18, 2018 12:11:58 GMT
In the past whenever Jose started to behave this way his departure from whatever club he was coaching was near. I really hope we have a plan in place for a successor.
So many of our displays recently have reminded me of his 2nd spell at Chelsea during the season he got sacked. He’s clearly unsettled and is struggling to motivate his squad when things are tough. Nothing in his past to suggest he will manage to get through this, which is my biggest concern.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bestie on Mar 18, 2018 13:56:09 GMT
Fucking taking Mata off too. Then Fellaini on for the last few minutes. Mourinho really can fuck off. Is it a big deal if he comes on for the last few minutes? Yes. It's a massive fuck you to supporters. |
|
|
|
Post by WhatsTheMata on Mar 18, 2018 14:03:41 GMT
I don't get all the love for Shaw, injury aside he offers nothing that our converted wingers don't. Need at least one full back in the summer, possibly two. and i dont really get your love for mourinho anymore. dont get me wrong,i still hope he turns it around and i still back him in some kind of way. but karma,it seems that whatever he does or says you try to defend him. every single decision he makes and then gets crìtics for it,you defend it. it just gets a bit boring after some time. same with your comments on moyes who gets mentioned in every second post. not trying to offend you as we both share a bit the same ideas about mourinho and i appreciate your comments and positivity. but those two things started to annoy me recently Karma loves him more than Duncan Castles. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 14:35:01 GMT
Since Shaw has come back from injury he's done very little wrong. He's since been publicly praised, dropped for no reason, chosen again and slated publicly after one game back.
And people are still confused as to why the guy has little confidence.
I blamed Shaws desire to begin with but since he's come back from injury he's out in a decent shift in nearly all the games he's played in, even with the added bit of bulk.
|
|
|
|
Post by GeniusCantona on Mar 18, 2018 14:43:58 GMT
I understand the Jose hate when he blasts the players in the media and I don't agree with it personally, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the blame?? Are our players as fickle as the Chelsea squad who basically gave up under Jose after winning the title? I would think that we're better than that. The players need to appreciate what club they're playing for. We should want players who want to create their own legacy at the club rather than living off the fame of our successful history. If some of them can't handle the pressure then they need to go.
|
|
|
|
Post by Karma on Mar 18, 2018 14:45:56 GMT
and i dont really get your love for mourinho anymore. dont get me wrong,i still hope he turns it around and i still back him in some kind of way. but karma,it seems that whatever he does or says you try to defend him. every single decision he makes and then gets crìtics for it,you defend it. it just gets a bit boring after some time. same with your comments on moyes who gets mentioned in every second post. not trying to offend you as we both share a bit the same ideas about mourinho and i appreciate your comments and positivity. but those two things started to annoy me recently Karma loves him more than Duncan Castles. Seriously Mata I expected better of you than that. Still let's blame everything on the current manager even though it's been obvious for some time the players aren't immune from criticism which goes right back to when Fergie left. The only players on here who get ripped into are the usual whipping boys . Everyone else seem get a free pass to be shit or underperform. 2 previous managers have been subject to a similar mutiny. But it's so much easier to keep sacking managers isn't it? |
|
|
|
Post by Rustin Cohle on Mar 18, 2018 14:49:26 GMT
I understand the Jose hate when he blasts the players in the media and I don't agree with it personally, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the blame?? Are our players as fickle as the Chelsea squad who basically gave up under Jose after winning the title? I would think that we're better than that. The players need to appreciate what club they're playing for. We should want players who want to create their own legacy at the club rather than living off the fame of our successful history. If some of them can't handle the pressure then they need to go. I don’t think any of our players have given up or acted like some of that Chelsea side. Pogba and Alexis may be in awful form but I wouldn’t accuse either of not caring. |
|
|
|
Post by Karma on Mar 18, 2018 14:51:36 GMT
I understand the Jose hate when he blasts the players in the media and I don't agree with it personally, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the blame?? Are our players as fickle as the Chelsea squad who basically gave up under Jose after winning the title? I would think that we're better than that. The players need to appreciate what club they're playing for. We should want players who want to create their own legacy at the club rather than living off the fame of our successful history. If some of them can't handle the pressure then they need to go. I don’t think any of our players have given up or acted like some of that Chelsea side. Pogba and Alexis may be in awful form but I wouldn’t accuse either of not caring. They're not the only two in poor form though. |
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Mar 18, 2018 15:00:42 GMT
I understand the Jose hate when he blasts the players in the media and I don't agree with it personally, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the blame?? Are our players as fickle as the Chelsea squad who basically gave up under Jose after winning the title? I would think that we're better than that. The players need to appreciate what club they're playing for. We should want players who want to create their own legacy at the club rather than living off the fame of our successful history. If some of them can't handle the pressure then they need to go. Of course they should. Some of them have seriously under-performed. I dont think that’s the issue here. You have to look at this week in context. The way the team was set up was a disgrace, a betrayal Of what we should stand for. To compound it he comes out and says it’s normal for Uyd to get knocked out, that several of that Seville team walk into our side. Then he drags Shaw off at HT, then publicly humiliated him after the game. If that’s not bad enough he then says most of the players looked scared and lacked class and personality. This should NEVER be done publicly. Normally this results in him losing the dressing room, as it has done on at least 2 occasions in the past. It should be the beginning of the end here but that fucking genius Ed extended the contract of a guy who cannot stay in a job for longer tha 3 years before he torpedoes himself. |
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Mar 18, 2018 15:02:47 GMT
I understand the Jose hate when he blasts the players in the media and I don't agree with it personally, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the blame?? Are our players as fickle as the Chelsea squad who basically gave up under Jose after winning the title? I would think that we're better than that. The players need to appreciate what club they're playing for. We should want players who want to create their own legacy at the club rather than living off the fame of our successful history. If some of them can't handle the pressure then they need to go. I don’t think any of our players have given up or acted like some of that Chelsea side. Pogba and Alexis may be in awful form but I wouldn’t accuse either of not caring. Exactly. There’s no comparison yet. Let’s see how they respond after being throw under the bus though. |
|
|
|
Post by GeniusCantona on Mar 18, 2018 15:46:01 GMT
I understand the Jose hate when he blasts the players in the media and I don't agree with it personally, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the blame?? Are our players as fickle as the Chelsea squad who basically gave up under Jose after winning the title? I would think that we're better than that. The players need to appreciate what club they're playing for. We should want players who want to create their own legacy at the club rather than living off the fame of our successful history. If some of them can't handle the pressure then they need to go. Of course they should. Some of them have seriously under-performed. I dont think that’s the issue here. You have to look at this week in context. The way the team was set up was a disgrace, a betrayal Of what we should stand for. To compound it he comes out and says it’s normal for Uyd to get knocked out, that several of that Seville team walk into our side. Then he drags Shaw off at HT, then publicly humiliated him after the game. If that’s not bad enough he then says most of the players looked scared and lacked class and personality. This should NEVER be done publicly. Normally this results in him losing the dressing room, as it has done on at least 2 occasions in the past. It should be the beginning of the end here but that fucking genius Ed extended the contract of a guy who cannot stay in a job for longer tha 3 years before he torpedoes himself. He got the tactics and team selection against Sevilla completely wrong there is no doubt about that. Jose did not use his words carefully following the loss and saying this was a familiar position for us stung. But I'll say that unfortunately in this 7 year period of our history, we have generally failed to live up to our expectations in Europe. Jose wasn't wrong about that and it is something we need to accept in the short-term until we have a squad that's ready to legitimately challenge for all honours. Based on the progress this year, it may not be too far away. As for Shaw, it seems that the summer he arrived was an indication of how his United career was going to go. Blasted by LVG for his lack of fitness, the injury, the struggle to return etc. I feel for him because we all had so much hope for him. He's gone this summer with likely Sandro being Jose's top target. I don't think the extension was a major endorsement for Jose tbh. It's essentially one more year to 2020 with the option of another year. That to me shows the club appreciates Jose's shelf-life but also didn't want him to be a "lame duck" manager sitting with one more year on his contract next season. The media storm and scrutiny would be even worse than what he's dealing with now. If there isn't a legitimate title challenge or progress in Europe then he will be gone by the end of next season. |
|
|
|
Post by weetomsligaments on Mar 18, 2018 15:59:28 GMT
I don’t think any of our players have given up or acted like some of that Chelsea side. Pogba and Alexis may be in awful form but I wouldn’t accuse either of not caring. They're not the only two in poor form though. And who do you blame when an entire squad underperforms? The players? |
|
|
|
Post by Stew on Mar 18, 2018 16:22:21 GMT
They're not the only two in poor form though. And who do you blame when an entire squad underperforms? The players? Shaw probably. |
|
|
|
Post by WhatsTheMata on Mar 18, 2018 16:37:26 GMT
Karma loves him more than Duncan Castles. Seriously Mata I expected better of you than that. Still let's blame everything on the current manager even though it's been obvious for some time the players aren't immune from criticism which goes right back to when Fergie left. The only players on here who get ripped into are the usual whipping boys . Everyone else seem get a free pass to be shit or underperform. 2 previous managers have been subject to a similar mutiny. But it's so much easier to keep sacking managers isn't it? First of all, I am honoured you call me Mata. Don't ever change!  It's a joke, don't take it too seriously mate. However, Mourinho had a coward approach vs Sevilla and we had a shameful exit in what it was supposed to be an easy draw. Actually, in lots of matches he has had this approach. You defend every single thing he does even when he fucks over and becomes José's apologist number one. Why? The club comes first. Is football a contest? Yes, but it should be entertaining too. Not all the time as this is impossible, but you get the point. And before you say 'oh, that's an Arsenal stuff right there' this is a point made by Ron Atkinson. He's hardly a loser, eh? Anyways, who's getting a free pass for underperforming? Pogba's slated daily, Young gets an ear pull every time he does something wrong, Smalling receives curses that goes until his unborn child, Matic is called upon when he has a mare but frankly, it didn't happen a lot. Bar Yeovil away, NOBODY has praised Sanchez, Rashford got slated too when played on the right and when he tried his fancy flicks and dicked around, Shaw is called lazy everyday bar when he performs well which he did. When Martial isn't a game changer, he is also called upon. The only ones getting a pass are Lingard, Lukaku, Mata, Valencia, McTominay and De Gea. In case I wasn't clear enough, if the entire squad doesn't click, it is because of management most of the times. A few matches I concede it was on the players though such as Burnley. |
|
|
|
Post by Reduntildeath on Mar 18, 2018 16:45:03 GMT
Seriously Mata I expected better of you than that. Still let's blame everything on the current manager even though it's been obvious for some time the players aren't immune from criticism which goes right back to when Fergie left. The only players on here who get ripped into are the usual whipping boys . Everyone else seem get a free pass to be shit or underperform. 2 previous managers have been subject to a similar mutiny. But it's so much easier to keep sacking managers isn't it? First of all, I am honoured you call me Mata. Don't ever change! It's a joke, don't take it too seriously mate. However, Mourinho had a coward approach vs Sevilla and we had a shameful exit in what it was supposed to be an easy draw. Actually, in lots of matches he has had this approach. You defend every single thing he does even when he fucks over and becomes José's apologist number one. Why? The club comes first. Is football a contest? Yes, but it should be entertaining too. Not all the time as this is impossible, but you get the point. And before you say 'oh, that's an Arsenal stuff right there' this is a point made by Ron Atkinson. He's hardly a loser, eh? Anyways, who's getting a free pass for underperforming? Pogba's slated daily, Young gets an ear pull every time he does something wrong, Smalling receives curses that goes until his unborn child, Matic is called upon when he has a mare but frankly, it didn't happen a lot. Bar Yeovil away, NOBODY has praised Sanchez, Rashford got slated too when played on the right and when he tried his fancy flicks and dicked around, Shaw is called lazy everyday bar when he performs well which he did. When Martial isn't a game changer, he is also called upon. The only ones getting a pass are Lingard, Lukaku, Mata, Valencia, McTominay and De Gea. In case I wasn't clear enough, if the entire squad doesn't click, it is because of management most of the times. A few matches I concede it was on the players though such as Burnley. What Stret said!😁 |
|
"United’s flag is deepest red, it shrouded all our Munich dead. Before their limbs grew stiff and cold, their heart’s blood dyed it’s ev’ry fold. Then raise United’s banner high, beneath it’s shade we’ll live and die. So keep the faith and never fear." 
