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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 7:51:11 GMT
4 finals in the last 20 years is actually joint 3rd best along with Juve and Barca. Only behind Real and Bayern. I'd say that's pretty good going. Well those Barca cunts won it all the 4 times they were in the finals so they're above us in that regard. You're right about Juventus, losing 4 finals must be gutting. And in terms of winning the thing we're only behind Real and Barca, who are on 6 and 4 respectively in the last 20 years. We're joint 3rd on 2 with Bayern and Milan. In terms of recent history, the true powerhouse(s) could be narrowed down to just those 2 Spanish clubs who have been dominant in terms of number of victories but after those you'd say us and Bayern have been the next best. That's pretty decent company. I do think this is just nitpicking and missing the point though. It's the way he attempted to use this do deflect criticism from his piss poor tactical setup vs Sevilla which has irked most. Serious lack of class. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 7:53:34 GMT
I think he was referring more to our recent history, not heritage in the way that it's being interpreted. In view of the former, our recent European impact since Sir Alex retired has, in fact, been pretty negligible and we all know Fergie dragged way more out of that squad nearing the end. Anyway, Spurs at Wembley next up - confident. But he mentioned knocking us out with Porto. Since then we went on to win it again and be in another 2 finals which is an excellent record despite being outclassed in both those finals vs Barca. His comments were incredibly ill advised in my opinion, which ever way you look at them. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 19, 2018 7:54:57 GMT
5 actually. Cup Winners' Cup in '91. Is that what the Super Cup used to be ? I didnt consider that because , well , it's the Super Cup . Seriously? |
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Post by redcase on Mar 19, 2018 7:59:22 GMT
Is that what the Super Cup used to be ? I didnt consider that because , well , it's the Super Cup . Seriously? Oh it used to be the Europa . That's my bad. I had to actually go and look it up . |
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Post by Tatty on Mar 19, 2018 8:08:15 GMT
I'm confused. Are you saying we don't have those things? Out of which only 3 are the Champions League. And one was with Mourinho. I think in the past 20 years we've been to the Champions League final 4 times and the semi finals a couple of times more (?). We have a conversion rate of 50% which is great. But 4 finals in 20 years. Not exactly something of a glorious European powerhouse are we. Our bread and butter always has been the League and it should continue to be . Mourinho might not have been tactful or smart and probably boorish with the way he went about his interview talking about us in the champions league, but he wasn't completely wrong either. AHEM! Six. If you count the Super Cup in 91. |
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Post by redcase on Mar 19, 2018 8:09:03 GMT
Well those Barca cunts won it all the 4 times they were in the finals so they're above us in that regard. You're right about Juventus, losing 4 finals must be gutting. And in terms of winning the thing we're only behind Real and Barca, who are on 6 and 4 respectively in the last 20 years. We're joint 3rd on 2 with Bayern and Milan. In terms of recent history, the true powerhouse(s) could be narrowed down to just those 2 Spanish clubs who have been dominant in terms of number of victories but after those you'd say us and Bayern have been the next best. That's pretty decent company. I do think this is just nitpicking and missing the point though. It's the way he attempted to use this do deflect criticism from his piss poor tactical setup vs Sevilla which has irked most. Serious lack of class. It wasn't the best way to do it , I don't disagree. But he's succeeded in some measure, whichever way you look at it. Instead of talking about the game and what happened that night , we are talking about the presser. And in that shit presser , there was a kernel of truth . If some of the journos are to be believed, he was telling all the players in the dressing room after the game that he was culpable for the way he set out for that game. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 19, 2018 8:10:09 GMT
Oh it used to be the Europa . That's my bad. I had to actually go and look it up . It’s literally one of the most important nights in Utd’s history! |
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Post by redcase on Mar 19, 2018 8:20:05 GMT
Oh it used to be the Europa . That's my bad. I had to actually go and look it up . It’s literally one of the most important nights in Utd’s history! No you're right , I completely forgot about that. For me , prior to Fergie, Sir Matt winning it in '68 is always what sticks . Mea culpa. |
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Post by redcase on Mar 19, 2018 8:21:17 GMT
What I'm saying , is that in the past 50 years , we have won 4 European trophies. Out of which only 3 are the Champions League. And one was with Mourinho. I think in the past 20 years we've been to the Champions League final 4 times and the semi finals a couple of times more (?). We have a conversion rate of 50% which is great. But 4 finals in 20 years. Not exactly something of a glorious European powerhouse are we. Our bread and butter always has been the League and it should continue to be . Mourinho might not have been tactful or smart and probably boorish with the way he went about his interview talking about us in the champions league, but he wasn't completely wrong either. AHEM! Six. If you count the Super Cup in 91. Nobody counts the super cup in 91  But yes, I missed out the win in '91. |
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Post by Tatty on Mar 19, 2018 8:57:09 GMT
AHEM! Six. If you count the Super Cup in 91. Nobody counts the super cup in 91 But yes, I missed out the win in '91. I count it, because I went. |
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Post by redcase on Mar 19, 2018 9:19:04 GMT
Nobody counts the super cup in 91 But yes, I missed out the win in '91. I count it, because I went. Wow, that must be a great memory mate. |
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Post by Tatty on Mar 19, 2018 9:43:20 GMT
I count it, because I went. Wow, that must be a great memory mate. Aye, was a great time. McClair scored and Robbo scored a cracking overhead kick, 7 year old me lost his shit, but it got ruled out for offside. Haha! Unfortunately, the Red Star team that won the European Cup that year had been decimated over the Summer. No Posinecki, Pancev, Mihajlovic, Savicevic etc etc. |
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Post by mightyez on Mar 19, 2018 9:49:08 GMT
Honestly though is Jose ok? he ranted and he didn't even believe what he was saying, whatever his reasons such as maybe protecting the players from the slating the press would have given them or likely protecting himself from the slating the press would have dished out on him, highlighting how much he has spent and how much the team look like strangers on the pitch.
If we look at the lack of investment after fergie left, you had one year with Moyes where £28 million was spent, LVG came in and spent £250 million, Jose has spent £320 million, it has been 5 years since fergie left so that's like £124 million a season on average since he left, let's be real that is a lot of money, the market didn't go mad until this summer after the Neymar deal really.
This issue is not how much was not spent it's really how poorly the money was spent, Jose has seemed to have a better approach in regards to the spending but then the double edged sword with that is you would expect far more cohesion on the pitch, more fluidity, better style and attack, but it's just not there.
If we get knocked out or lose games fighting then you have something to build on, I hate to mention them but with Klopp and his team when they would lose everyone could identify the issue, they have begun to address that and I would expect in the summer they will further address that, however in that time, they had a style, a way of playing etc, win or lose they were building.
Jose did well in the first season, bought well but he has not built on a good start, he has not developed the playing style one bit, he has loads of quality at his disposal, ddg, martial, rashford, sanchez, mata, pogba, shaw (I still hold belief that he is the best left back in the country), bailly, lukaku and then there are some solid players he has at his disposal too such as jones, Valencia, lingard, Herrera
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 10:36:58 GMT
The cup winners cup was a big deal back then. Kind of forgotten about these days. Aberdeen winning it under Ferguson was cobsidered a miracle from what i understand.
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Post by redcase on Mar 19, 2018 11:02:31 GMT
Wow, that must be a great memory mate. Aye, was a great time. McClair scored and Robbo scored a cracking overhead kick, 7 year old me lost his shit, but it got ruled out for offside. Haha! Unfortunately, the Red Star team that won the European Cup that year had been decimated over the Summer. No Posinecki, Pancev, Mihajlovic, Savicevic etc etc. Didnt savicevic pancev and mihailovic play that game ? Edit : yeah I just went on wikipedia , it tells me they played. You're right about prosinecki though. |
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