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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:23:57 GMT
To be fair it's not just our defence that isnt good enough. Theres no link up play between the back four, middle three and front three either. Think I saw more sideways and backwards passing in this game than I did in any game under van Gaal. Exactly. Everyone can pick at the decision not to bring in Alderweireld and rightly so but he doesn't help us get back into the game yesterday.
We may not have conceded the 3 goals if we had him but we'd have still been playing the same soulless, lifeless, boring football.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 20, 2018 9:18:28 GMT
The players we had out there should have seen off Brighton. If they were coached properly and had the right attitude. Neither are the direct responsibility of the board. As for CBs, Jose had his 60-odd million pairing out there today. There comes a point when you can't keep blaming the manager for everything. Bailly is supposed to be one of our first choice CB, he was fecking awful today as was Lindelof. The back ups aren't much better. Jones is a disaster waiting to happen. Rojo isn't good enough even when he isn't injured . Smalling imo is the best of a bad bunch. If you think a change of manager will improve them then that's your opinion. Maybe the two he did sign aren't good enough after all but they don't really have any better waiting in the wings either! Every man and his dog knows we need to bin off our full backs but we haven't. I'm sure some would like to think that it's down to the manager that we haven't replaced them. I'm not buying that whatsoever! On Bailly: Mourinho signed him/asked Ed to sign him. Ditto Lindelof. Darmian is an actual right back ... Mourinho played Ashley Young because he doesn't fancy Darmian based on Darmian's performances as a left back. Where Mourinho played him. It is the manager's job to get the best from the players. Lindelof showed at the World Cup he has got quality. We failed completely in an attacking sense yesterday. Our defence gets shown up and exposed because we are constantly on the back foot. That is not the defenders' fault. That is the style of play and the coaching. Mourinho has refused to adapt, failed to evolve. He has not learned his lessons. The Glazers are at fault for the overarching ills of the club but the failings on the pitch are on the manager. |
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Post by Karma on Aug 20, 2018 9:18:39 GMT
But the board haven't backed him this summer! Instead we are bumbling along with Ed crossing everything instead hoping we have enough for top 4. There were reports under the last two managers that the dressing room had been lost but they were only fired at the very last opportunity.
Moyes should have gone before Christmas and Van Gaal around the same time in his second season. But instead we chugged on. That's our board ladies and gentlemen. Do you trust any of them to get the next appointment right?
We will be lucky to attract Sam Alladyce with these incompetent arsewipes in charge!
We have become a laughing stock, Jose is just a part of the problem!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 9:29:12 GMT
There comes a point when you can't keep blaming the manager for everything. Bailly is supposed to be one of our first choice CB, he was fecking awful today as was Lindelof. The back ups aren't much better. Jones is a disaster waiting to happen. Rojo isn't good enough even when he isn't injured . Smalling imo is the best of a bad bunch. If you think a change of manager will improve them then that's your opinion. Maybe the two he did sign aren't good enough after all but they don't really have any better waiting in the wings either! Every man and his dog knows we need to bin off our full backs but we haven't. I'm sure some would like to think that it's down to the manager that we haven't replaced them. I'm not buying that whatsoever! On Bailly: Mourinho signed him/asked Ed to sign him. Ditto Lindelof. Darmian is an actual right back ... Mourinho played Ashley Young because he doesn't fancy Darmian based on Darmian's performances as a left back. Where Mourinho played him. It is the manager's job to get the best from the players. Lindelof showed at the World Cup he has got quality. We failed completely in an attacking sense yesterday. Our defence gets shown up and exposed because we are constantly on the back foot. That is not the defenders' fault. That is the style of play and the coaching.Mourinho has refused to adapt, failed to evolve. He has not learned his lessons. The Glazers are at fault for the overarching ills of the club but the failing on the pitch are on the manager. Said something similar yesterday. The defence is being made to look worse because they are constantly under the cosh because we're seemingly incapable of controlling a game or sustaining pressure against anyone, even 2nd rate sides like Brighton.
Our complete lack of pressing really affords sides far too much time on the ball and allows them to get comfortable.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 21, 2018 2:17:01 GMT
Shame the 'White Knights' weren't successful. I think it would take government intervention and the introduction of fan ownership models to get things to change. Seems to work well in Germany, and who wouldn't like to have a share in United? I can not see this ever happening though.
I thought they were the Red Knights? A white knight is a dude that defends random women on the internet.
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Post by redcase on Aug 21, 2018 8:32:08 GMT
Everything starts at the top.
It's fucking time for the banners, the scarves, the airplane and the fucking kitchen sink. If not those leeching cunts, at least their spineless minion - GET HIM THE FUCK OUT.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 21, 2018 9:53:50 GMT
On Bailly: Mourinho signed him/asked Ed to sign him. Ditto Lindelof. Darmian is an actual right back ... Mourinho played Ashley Young because he doesn't fancy Darmian based on Darmian's performances as a left back. Where Mourinho played him. It is the manager's job to get the best from the players. Lindelof showed at the World Cup he has got quality. We failed completely in an attacking sense yesterday. Our defence gets shown up and exposed because we are constantly on the back foot. That is not the defenders' fault. That is the style of play and the coaching.Mourinho has refused to adapt, failed to evolve. He has not learned his lessons. The Glazers are at fault for the overarching ills of the club but the failing on the pitch are on the manager. Said something similar yesterday. The defence is being made to look worse because they are constantly under the cosh because we're seemingly incapable of controlling a game or sustaining pressure against anyone, even 2nd rate sides like Brighton.
Our complete lack of pressing really affords sides far too much time on the ball and allows them to get comfortable.
I'm not sure what the answer is, and I do think we need to press a bit more, but I think to jump onto heavy pressing now could still leave us behind the times. Some of the very best teams - Real Madrid, City in the past few months, Napoli last year (and I'm sure Chelsea once Sarri moulds them in his image, and ditto with Arsenal/Emery) actively invite the press because they back themselves to break through it and exploit the space. Even Klopp seems to be looking at this, and whilst he still insists his own front 3 press heavily, his own team seem to be increasingly happy looking to find the space behind the press; likewise Pochettino. Jumping onto heavy pressing now (though Jose won't do so) could be like when we jumped on the possession bandwagon a decade late with Louis. Maybe I'm noticing more of a micro-trend in matches between other big teams that won't play out fully across a whole season or two, but I do think top teams are now moving more towards how to beat the press, rather than how to implement it. Pressing isn't going away anytime soon, but I think a more measured approach to it (like City last year, or Pochettino at times) will be more of the norm than, say, Klopp's traditional heavy pressing. It just leaves too many spaces that can be exploited if you're good enough on the ball like say Modric, Kroos or Jorginho (which is why Pep wanted him so bad). City were almost playing route one at times in the past few months - at the very least going from the 'keeper straight to the midfield on several occasions. What we need is an up and coming manager that's at the cutting edge of the game tactically, but is also willing to adapt. Guardiola is a much better coach than he was at Barca IMO (I think Bayern was a huge wake up call for him), whereas Jose is very similar to what he was at Porto, which is why he's having so many problems. We've been trying to find another Fergie who didn't usually invent trends (bar arguably in the early 90s and 06-08) but was an expert and spotting them early and acting accordingly (whether to copy them or to counteract them). But Fergie was one of a kind and there's no one like him in world football today, bar perhaps Ancelotti and Zidane, neither of whom are on his level. We need to go the other way and be at the forefront of the tactical evolution. I'm not bothered anymore if a manager has won lots of trophies, as long as they've overachieved with their past clubs and have an exciting vision that could be fused with United's DNA. It's not easy, and this is where a DoF would earn their money - having a distinctive style, but also willing to make substantial tweaks, whilst finding a manager who suits it perfectly. There are probably a few that could do so - Pochettino, Jardim and some others seem to be at the forefront of it, whilst Simeone has innovated much more than he is given credit for - he just moves more to counteract trends than be a part of them, though his side were originally at the forefront of pressing. It's a tough question - but all the evidence suggests that Jose will not find the answer. |
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Post by grandpaTJ on Aug 21, 2018 23:12:36 GMT
One quick question
Does United have the players to formulate an answer?"
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 22, 2018 7:58:05 GMT
One quick question Does United have the players to formulate an answer?" I think Lukaku, Rashford and Lingard in particular from the front 3 (which is where it is most important) have the ability and application to be very successful in a pressing system. Martial has the athleticism to do so, but probably not the application at this time. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Aug 22, 2018 12:10:25 GMT
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Post by caino on Aug 22, 2018 12:23:46 GMT
in fairness hes doing a cracking job in bringing a shit load of cash in but hes shocking at giving the funds for proper players. as soon as we get a DoF in the better. who is the fella in charge of this operation at Juve ? we should do whatever we can to get him as he has risen them from the ashes why are we still in debt too ? why have they not paid off the debt the fucking miserable little parasites |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 13:03:11 GMT
Can't remember the last positive article I read about anything concerning the entire club.
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Post by Bestie on Aug 22, 2018 13:24:52 GMT
in fairness hes doing a cracking job in bringing a shit load of cash in but hes shocking at giving the funds for proper players. as soon as we get a DoF in the better. who is the fella in charge of this operation at Juve ? we should do whatever we can to get him as he has risen them from the ashes why are we still in debt too ? why have they not paid off the debt the fucking miserable little parasites We can hire all the highest touted technical directors and Directors of Football in world football; nothing will change until we are run as a football club again. As opposed to being a brand to be exploited. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 13:31:02 GMT
in fairness hes doing a cracking job in bringing a shit load of cash in but hes shocking at giving the funds for proper players. as soon as we get a DoF in the better. who is the fella in charge of this operation at Juve ? we should do whatever we can to get him as he has risen them from the ashes why are we still in debt too ? why have they not paid off the debt the fucking miserable little parasites We can hire all the highest touted technical directors and Directors of Football in world football; nothing will change until we are run as a football club again. As opposed to being a brand to be exploited. Hire a DOF, he'll still have to answer to Woodward. Jose is technically a director of football, given we don't have one and he oversees all footballing matters. Woodward needs removing from all footballing matters. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 22, 2018 13:38:11 GMT
We can hire all the highest touted technical directors and Directors of Football in world football; nothing will change until we are run as a football club again. As opposed to being a brand to be exploited. Hire a DOF, he'll still have to answer to Woodward. Jose is technically a director of football, given we don't have one and he oversees all footballing matters. Woodward needs removing from all footballing matters. Fixed. |
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