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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 16:15:17 GMT
Desperate for Lukaku to come up big, but he should have hit 4 yesterday. Should have scored vs Spurs and definitely should've scored vs Brighton.
He has all the tools to be world class but the worry is he will stay at Everton level for life. Hope beyond hope that I am wrong.
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Post by weetomsligaments on Sept 3, 2018 16:31:36 GMT
Desperate for Lukaku to come up big, but he should have hit 4 yesterday. Should have scored vs Spurs and definitely should've scored vs Brighton. He has all the tools to be world class but the worry is he will stay at Everton level for life. Hope beyond hope that I am wrong. Re the Everton level - he looks like he is moving too quickly at United. He fluffs his shots or snaps at the ball because he is soooo desperate to score. Once he becomes a little more assured and slows his approach down, he will bag 10-15 more goals per season. No idea how to coach that though. The game will eventually slow down for him. Hopefully soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 16:40:35 GMT
Desperate for Lukaku to come up big, but he should have hit 4 yesterday. Should have scored vs Spurs and definitely should've scored vs Brighton. He has all the tools to be world class but the worry is he will stay at Everton level for life. Hope beyond hope that I am wrong. Re the Everton level - he looks like he is moving too quickly at United. He fluffs his shots or snaps at the ball because he is soooo desperate to score. Once he becomes a little more assured and slows his approach down, he will bag 10-15 more goals per season. No idea how to coach that though. The game will eventually slow down for him. Hopefully soon. He hit nearly 30 goals last season which is super. However, we need him to hit 40+ and get them in the important games. It's a tough ask but hopefully he is up to it. |
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Post by Karma on Sept 3, 2018 17:29:39 GMT
Andy Cole was lethal in front of goal for Newcastle, then became very wasteful for Utd at first. Then became lethal again. Lukaku May or may not improve, we can’t be sure yet. For sure, I certainly remember the grief Cole got and Fergie defending him . |
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Post by redcase on Sept 3, 2018 20:59:00 GMT
Re the Everton level - he looks like he is moving too quickly at United. He fluffs his shots or snaps at the ball because he is soooo desperate to score. Once he becomes a little more assured and slows his approach down, he will bag 10-15 more goals per season. No idea how to coach that though. The game will eventually slow down for him. Hopefully soon. He hit nearly 30 goals last season which is super. However, we need him to hit 40+ and get them in the important games. It's a tough ask but hopefully he is up to it. 40 goals in a single season is an immense task. It's only been done a handful of times ever. But if lukaku takes all his chances, he gets very close. Against spurs and Burnley he could have had 5 goals . |
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Post by On a break on Sept 3, 2018 21:39:54 GMT
When I see things like Lukaku's poor touch to name just one aspect of our team's weakness I makes me wonder what they work on in training, our crossing has been poor for a few seasons, our corners are crap and so on, Beckham and Ronaldo used to stay behind to practise.
Lukaku's first touch wasn't good last season but he should be improving by now until it's right, the potential is there for him to score a lot more.
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Post by Tatty on Sept 4, 2018 7:59:52 GMT
He hit nearly 30 goals last season which is super. However, we need him to hit 40+ and get them in the important games. It's a tough ask but hopefully he is up to it. I still believe the 16 league goals in 34 appearances statistic gives a more realistic picture. Harry Kane, for example, scored 30 league goals, and 41 goals in all competitions. Who kares about Kane? Insomuch as he is competition, we should care. Kunting Mo Salah scored 32 league goals, and 42 goals in all competitions. Again, near-rival comparison. Jamie Kunting Vardy scored 20 league goals with kunting Leicester. Lukaku needs to do better. Adding in FA Cup. league cup, Champions league, and friendlies is padding the stats. Those 16 goals were scored in 12 league matches, meaning he did not score in 22 premier league appearances. He needs to be hitting 20+ league goals. We need to win the premier league again, and soon. I don't really care about the FA Cup or the league cup, and I would not prioritize either over winning the league. We have no hope of winning the Champions League with the current squad (or manager) so those goals are tertiary. You know nothing bad will happen if you just type 'cunt', right? |
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Post by Stew on Sept 4, 2018 9:56:58 GMT
He hit nearly 30 goals last season which is super. However, we need him to hit 40+ and get them in the important games. It's a tough ask but hopefully he is up to it. I still believe the 16 league goals in 34 appearances statistic gives a more realistic picture. Harry Kane, for example, scored 30 league goals, and 41 goals in all competitions. Who kares about Kane? Insomuch as he is competition, we should care. Kunting Mo Salah scored 32 league goals, and 42 goals in all competitions. Again, near-rival comparison. Jamie Kunting Vardy scored 20 league goals with kunting Leicester. Lukaku needs to do better. Adding in FA Cup. league cup, Champions league, and friendlies is padding the stats. Those 16 goals were scored in 12 league matches, meaning he did not score in 22 premier league appearances. He needs to be hitting 20+ league goals. We need to win the premier league again, and soon. I don't really care about the FA Cup or the league cup, and I would not prioritize either over winning the league. We have no hope of winning the Champions League with the current squad (or manager) so those goals are tertiary. Adding goals from other competitions is padding a strikers stats? How’d you work that one out exactly? Because we’ve no chance of winning them? Best knock Salah’s league goals off his total last year so. Do the same for Hazard in the Champion’s league as well. You don’t care about the League Cup or the FA Cup? How long have you supported Utd again? He needs to score more league goals. Everyone agrees. The rest is just noise. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 10:04:42 GMT
I still believe the 16 league goals in 34 appearances statistic gives a more realistic picture. Harry Kane, for example, scored 30 league goals, and 41 goals in all competitions. Who kares about Kane? Insomuch as he is competition, we should care. Kunting Mo Salah scored 32 league goals, and 42 goals in all competitions. Again, near-rival comparison. Jamie Kunting Vardy scored 20 league goals with kunting Leicester. Lukaku needs to do better. Adding in FA Cup. league cup, Champions league, and friendlies is padding the stats. Those 16 goals were scored in 12 league matches, meaning he did not score in 22 premier league appearances. He needs to be hitting 20+ league goals. We need to win the premier league again, and soon. I don't really care about the FA Cup or the league cup, and I would not prioritize either over winning the league. We have no hope of winning the Champions League with the current squad (or manager) so those goals are tertiary. You know nothing bad will happen if you just type 'cunt', right? Erm, I know from personal experience, it sometimes does  |
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Post by ratbag on Sept 4, 2018 10:10:51 GMT
You know nothing bad will happen if you just type 'cunt', right? Erm, I know from personal experience, it sometimes does  |
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Post by _ on Sept 4, 2018 10:54:16 GMT
Andy Cole was lethal in front of goal for Newcastle, then became very wasteful for Utd at first. Then became lethal again. Lukaku May or may not improve, we can’t be sure yet. I take your point, but very different scenarios and an interesting point in how we are set up 1. Cole was a completely different shape and technically different to Lukaku 2. Cole played in a two man partnership and had much more assists and created space 3. I think Lukaku is suited more to the old style than what we are kind of doing. In other words if he had a Beckham and Perisic firing in crosses he would be all over it, but that's all a bit passe and modern full backs and systems cancel that out more than the past We are kind of playing 3 up front the modern way(sometimes) because we have some of those players Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard, but Jose doesn't really do that and Lukaku isn't really technically right for that system, so you get what we have a bit of both but neither if you get me and plan b hoof it when it doesn't work Is Sanchez now a winger providing crosses to Lukaku? is that why he isn't the player he was and it's obviously why he wanted Perisic and doesn't like Martial there Mourinho will never commit to playing that way and he will always fall back to what he feels comfortable with |
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Post by Stew on Sept 4, 2018 11:12:04 GMT
Andy Cole was lethal in front of goal for Newcastle, then became very wasteful for Utd at first. Then became lethal again. Lukaku May or may not improve, we can’t be sure yet. I take your point, but very different scenarios and an interesting point in how we are set up 1. Cole was a completely different shape and technically different to Lukaku 2. Cole played in a two man partnership and had much more assists and created space 3. I think Lukaku is suited more to the old style than what we are kind of doing. In other words if he had a Beckham and Perisic firing in crosses he would be all over it, but that's all a bit passe and modern full backs and systems cancel that out more than the past We are kind of playing 3 up front the modern way(sometimes) because we have some of those players Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard, but Jose doesn't really do that and Lukaku isn't really technically right for that system, so you get what we have a bit of both but neither if you get me and plan b hoof it when it doesn't work Is Sanchez now a winger providing crosses to Lukaku? is that why he isn't the player he was and it's obviously why he wanted Perisic and doesn't like Martial there Mourinho will never commit to playing that way and he will always fall back to what he feels comfortable with Good points but please don’t lump Becks in with Perisic. Perisic’s marvelous crossing resulted in 10 assists in 47 games last season for Inter. Beckham would get over 10 assists this season in Italy if he came out of retirement. |
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Post by _ on Sept 4, 2018 11:23:39 GMT
I take your point, but very different scenarios and an interesting point in how we are set up 1. Cole was a completely different shape and technically different to Lukaku 2. Cole played in a two man partnership and had much more assists and created space 3. I think Lukaku is suited more to the old style than what we are kind of doing. In other words if he had a Beckham and Perisic firing in crosses he would be all over it, but that's all a bit passe and modern full backs and systems cancel that out more than the past We are kind of playing 3 up front the modern way(sometimes) because we have some of those players Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard, but Jose doesn't really do that and Lukaku isn't really technically right for that system, so you get what we have a bit of both but neither if you get me and plan b hoof it when it doesn't work Is Sanchez now a winger providing crosses to Lukaku? is that why he isn't the player he was and it's obviously why he wanted Perisic and doesn't like Martial there Mourinho will never commit to playing that way and he will always fall back to what he feels comfortable with Good points but please don’t lump Becks in with Perisic. Perisic’s marvelous crossing resulted in 10 assists in 47 games last season for Inter. Beckham would get over 10 assists this season in Italy if he came out of retirement. True! I was just making the point about what Mourinho wants |
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Post by Stew on Sept 4, 2018 11:32:09 GMT
Good points but please don’t lump Becks in with Perisic. Perisic’s marvelous crossing resulted in 10 assists in 47 games last season for Inter. Beckham would get over 10 assists this season in Italy if he came out of retirement. True! I was just making the point about what Mourinho wants Fair enough. Very few old school wingers that cross well around. KDB is the best crosser in England but he’s a CAM. It’s why attacking full backs are so important and Shaw’s re-emergence is vital. Depending on how the Fulham kid gets on I’d target him to have in tandem with Shaw. His crossing should improve. |
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Post by _ on Sept 4, 2018 11:39:46 GMT
True! I was just making the point about what Mourinho wants Fair enough. Very few old school wingers that cross well around. KDB is the best crosser in England but he’s a CAM. It’s why attacking full backs are so important and Shaw’s re-emergence is vital. Depending on how the Fulham kid gets on I’d target him to have in tandem with Shaw. His crossing should improve. I really hope Dalot impresses too, we've had nothing worth mentioning on the right for years either |
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