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Post by redcase on Sept 5, 2018 16:07:13 GMT
There's no way to have a forum based on such volatile topics without arguments . There will always be confrontation. If people don't want arguments on this forum, just stop responding to people they disagree with. But what's the point of a forum in that case ? Thick skin is what I'll go with. For example, the amount of abuse Karma gets here because she sides with Jose in arguments is borderline criminal. She takes it on the chin and moves on. How many mods and admins have argued with her on her opinions ? You don't hear her complain . She gets on with it , as she should. It's the internet, people are going to disagree, there will be friction. When you close the computer and turn it back on the next day it's over.
As for Karma I've had disagreements or differences in opinion but not once have I insulted her or acted a prick in her direction, same goes with everybody else. It can be done.If she wants to back Mourinho then that's her choice, I'll respect it whether I choose to agree with it. I can also guarantee that if the same said to her would have been said to a mod/admin then the situation would have been dealt with completely differently. Why is it so hard for people to be civil instead of acting holier than thou? Some people have more knowledge than others does than mean they contribute more or less to this place? Does it fuck.
Yes. If you are well informed on a particular topic, you are inclined to opine well on it, and in turn your opinion is bound to be well received. Why is this shocking and why is this frowned upon? Is there something wrong with saying such and such person is more well informed on a particular topic and therefore I prefer their opinion on it? You wouldn't go to a bad doctor for his opinion isn't it? Or go to a forum about astronomy and talk something there in spite of knowing squat and then not expected to get called out (by the way, if you're an astronomy major, ignore this). Sure, you could argue without sounding priggish, but eventually, either you or the guy you're arguing with are bound to sound priggish. It is inevitable.In the end, it all boils down to either having a thick skin, or ignoring something. So, in honor of the toughest person on this board - woman up. IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:12:02 GMT
Completely missing my point. You can have disagreements, arguments or discussions with out acting a self righteous prick (not aimed at anybody in particular).
As for Karma I've had disagreements or differences in opinion but not once have I insulted her or acted a prick in her direction, same goes with everybody else. It can be done.If she wants to back Mourinho then that's her choice, I'll respect it whether I choose to agree with it. I can also guarantee that if the same said to her would have been said to a mod/admin then the situation would have been dealt with completely differently. Why is it so hard for people to be civil instead of acting holier than thou? Some people have more knowledge than others does than mean they contribute more or less to this place? Does it fuck.
Yes. If you are well informed on a particular topic, you are inclined to opine well on it, and in turn your opinion is bound to be well received. Why is this shocking and why is this frowned upon? Is there something wrong with saying such and such person is more well informed on a particular topic and therefore I prefer their opinion on it? You wouldn't go to a bad doctor for his opinion isn't it? Or go to a forum about astronomy and talk something there in spite of knowing squat and then not expected to get called out (by the way, if you're an astronomy major, ignore this). Sure, you could argue without sounding priggish, but eventually, either you or the guy you're arguing with are bound to sound priggish. It is inevitable.In the end, it all boils down to either having a thick skin, or ignoring something. So, in honor of the toughest person on this board - woman up. IMOO.K, mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:12:37 GMT
How does the tribalistic nature of football affect us when we support the same team? Maybe we are doomed
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Post by Stew on Sept 5, 2018 16:15:01 GMT
You see, you say you want to keep this place going but then you post something like that. If you really feel that thats the case, why do you stay? Or indeed, why did you come back? Because change is needed? You constantly telling people we're not needed is more damaging. You just proved the point I was trying to get across. Bravo. And the fact that you were allowed back on, despite insulting an admin and mounting a full scale Broadway Musical production about leaving, proves mine. Standing ovation. |
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Post by Karma on Sept 5, 2018 16:17:30 GMT
This is the only United forum I post on, so even though I seem to be on a completely different page on some topics (cough ! ) arguments aside it's still one of the better ones. Anyone been on the Utd forum? We are all jolly hockey sticks compared to them, one I enjoy reading but I wouldn't like to sign up for.
I think it would be easier to become a member at Lords than be accepted on Red Cafe but I do dip in quite often tbf. It can get pretty aggressive on there too it's just there's less of us so it's more noticeable on here when there's aggro.
At least on here I can hate the Glazers, I go on Digital spy forums Football threads and it's downright blasphemy to even criticise Glazers, no value in the market or suggest that plane banners are sound. It's not as bad now more fans are singing from the same hymn sheet but I was a lone voice on there pretty much for a long time, even those who agreed with me were shouted down quite aggressively!
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Post by redcase on Sept 5, 2018 16:18:23 GMT
This is impossible. Because human beings are incapable of arguing objectively and it will always, after some point of time, become personal, and one of the arguing parties will think the other is being a self righteous prick. That is the nature of arguments. What you want, is a completely idealised scenario, ignoring variables of human nature. Over the course of the next couple of weeks this forum will elucidate my point without me having to.But it hasn't , and it won't. Because of the tribalistic nature of football. Soon, we will see someone abuse her for being overly faithful to Mourinho.If you go into a bar , insult the bartender, what do you wager will happen to you? In the case of Stewart, he was called a top red because he said it is nonsense to say that the FA Cup and League Cup aren't important. Calling someone a top red is a personal affront, while calling someone's opinion as nonsense isn't as much, because that same opinion coming out of someone else, would also be nonsense - making it indifferent to the person it is aimed at. Stewart could have worded his initial response better , but my initial point stands - It's the INTERNET, what's the point of going and taking things personal? Karma, again, is case in point. She doesn't take it personally.
Yes. If you are well informed on a particular topic, you are inclined to opine well on it, and in turn your opinion is bound to be well received. Why is this shocking and why is this frowned upon? Is there something wrong with saying such and such person is more well informed on a particular topic and therefore I prefer their opinion on it? You wouldn't go to a bad doctor for his opinion isn't it? Or go to a forum about astronomy and talk something there in spite of knowing squat and then not expected to get called out (by the way, if you're an astronomy major, ignore this). Sure, you could argue without sounding priggish, but eventually, either you or the guy you're arguing with are bound to sound priggish. It is inevitable.In the end, it all boils down to either having a thick skin, or ignoring something. So, in honor of the toughest person on this board - woman up. IMO O.K, mate. Hey Paul, what do you make of this ? Would you, in your words, say he's being a prick for the manner of his response ? Should I feel bad about it? On to you, the bit in blue is meant to show my opinion on the nature of arguments, and why it is futile to expect civil arguments in general . While the bit in green , is a comment meant to show my personal take on internet arguments , and also to elucidate my "thick skin" point. But hey, why don't you tell me about the mods and admins who are mean to everyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:20:20 GMT
Completely missing my point. You can have disagreements, arguments or discussions with out acting a self righteous prick (not aimed at anybody in particular).
As for Karma I've had disagreements or differences in opinion but not once have I insulted her or acted a prick in her direction, same goes with everybody else. It can be done.If she wants to back Mourinho then that's her choice, I'll respect it whether I choose to agree with it. I can also guarantee that if the same said to her would have been said to a mod/admin then the situation would have been dealt with completely differently. Why is it so hard for people to be civil instead of acting holier than thou? Some people have more knowledge than others does than mean they contribute more or less to this place? Does it fuck.
Yes. If you are well informed on a particular topic, you are inclined to opine well on it, and in turn your opinion is bound to be well received. Why is this shocking and why is this frowned upon? Is there something wrong with saying such and such person is more well informed on a particular topic and therefore I prefer their opinion on it? You wouldn't go to a bad doctor for his opinion isn't it? Or go to a forum about astronomy and talk something there in spite of knowing squat and then not expected to get called out (by the way, if you're an astronomy major, ignore this). Sure, you could argue without sounding priggish, but eventually, either you or the guy you're arguing with are bound to sound priggish. It is inevitable.In the end, it all boils down to either having a thick skin, or ignoring something. So, in honor of the toughest person on this board - woman up. IMOYou presume to think thats what I want. You presume wrong. Is asking for people to be civil such a great fucking ask? I am thick skinned but doesnt mean I can't voice and opinion over a long lying issue, you seem to be confusing my comments with the fact they bother me on a personal level, they don't. As you say its the internet. If people want to act like pricks then that's up to them. What I'm saying is I'd rather this not happen and people acted like adults...its not difficult. Also its condescending remarks like "man up" or in your case "woman up" that proves everybody's point about the shit on here atm. |
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Post by redcase on Sept 5, 2018 16:20:31 GMT
How does the tribalistic nature of football affect us when we support the same team? Maybe we are doomed How can it not? We have people with "FuckJose" flairs on this forum, while there are others who defend him. I can say Jose is called a cunt, prick, twat on this forum at least 20 times a day. Is that not tribalistic? Just because we support the same club does not mean we have the same opinions. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:21:22 GMT
How does the tribalistic nature of football affect us when we support the same team? Maybe we are doomed How can it not? We have people with "FuckJose" flairs on this forum, while there are others who defend him. I can say Jose is called a cunt, prick, twat on this forum at least 20 times a day. Is that not tribalistic? Just because we support the same club does not mean we have the same opinions. You missed the joke but nevermind. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 5, 2018 16:22:32 GMT
How does the tribalistic nature of football affect us when we support the same team? Maybe we are doomed A few years ago myself and my old man were leaving OT after a decent result. We were both wearing Utd scarves or in my case a Fergie t-shirt. The old man accidentally brushed off, barely, some twat, also wearing Utd gear. He turned around and called him every name under the sun. Which of course prompted a similar barrage from me. Blows were narrowly (very fucking narrowly) avoided. All clearly Utd fans. We are fucked, yes. |
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Post by redcase on Sept 5, 2018 16:23:06 GMT
How can it not? We have people with "FuckJose" flairs on this forum, while there are others who defend him. I can say Jose is called a cunt, prick, twat on this forum at least 20 times a day. Is that not tribalistic? Just because we support the same club does not mean we have the same opinions. You missed the joke but nevermind. Oh, it seems I did.  Easy to miss considering the seriousness emanating from this thread..lol |
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Post by Monty on Sept 5, 2018 16:24:38 GMT
Aye, it's not a coincidence that so many regular posters are leaving or becoming less active. The superiority complex from certain mods and members is the main reason, as well as a 'rules for thee but not for me' attitude for how they and their clique speak to people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:25:21 GMT
You missed the joke but nevermind. Oh, it seems I did. Easy to miss considering the seriousness emanating from this thread..lol We are in an age where if you don't write lol people think you are serious. I blame MSN messenger. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:27:32 GMT
We all agree on some thing, disagree on others.
That's what makes this place what it is for me...that and the underlying hate for the scouse cunts. Its lost its way slightly through various reasons and would be nice to return to the way it should be.
This thread was put here to highlight long standing issues and hopefully put them to rest and we can get back to normal...well as normal as this place can be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:28:40 GMT
Because change is needed? You constantly telling people we're not needed is more damaging. You just proved the point I was trying to get across. Bravo. And the fact that you were allowed back on, despite insulting an admin and mounting a full scale Broadway Musical production about leaving, proves mine. Standing ovation. Allowed back, for originally being banned for calling someone a tosser  Make this about me if you want, deflect all you want. Have a feeling somebody might be coming back soon, I hope they'll be suitably judged for leaving and then having the audacity to dare be in your presence on this holy forum once more. Or should we ask Scott about that, when was the last time you spoke to him again? Or was that another deflection tactic? |
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