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Post by Karma on Nov 13, 2018 13:11:54 GMT
I don't know if you watched the Spurs v City game recently. They are actually very similar, in how they play and it's constant and consistent. That kind of practice and repetition makes it easier for players and easier to recruit. ( well it is for City anyway  Spurs were unlucky in that game they had the chances to draw or win. Lamela missed a sitter, but you could actually the see the ball bobble on the NFL pitch, despite disadvantages they still play the same level most games, as you say it's a style of play they are used to playing and they don't change every game depending on the opposition. It's also why England have improved so much, not really because of Southgate although he has utilised the coaching the players get at club level and allowed them to try and play that game at International level! They are made up of Spurs and City players mostly with a couple of Dippers and Rashford The point is they were both pretty much playing the same game, pressing and passing in tight spots with nice movement at speed. 11- V 11 so to speak Spurs are very similar to City. City have a massively more expensive and bigger squad. Your point is bang on that's why more than ever we need a DoF that seams to have gone away after the last round of uproar. news were getting one, fans go quiet. doesn't happen and is forgotten about. the owners and jose are taking the piss out of all us fans. were going round in circles every couple of months. Jose isn't taking the piss. He can't sack himself. Woodchip is probably awaiting some cosmic realignment before he pulls the trigger. Or mummy has said No! |
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Post by caino on Nov 13, 2018 16:26:19 GMT
that's why more than ever we need a DoF that seams to have gone away after the last round of uproar. news were getting one, fans go quiet. doesn't happen and is forgotten about. the owners and jose are taking the piss out of all us fans. were going round in circles every couple of months. Jose isn't taking the piss. He can't sack himself. Woodchip is probably awaiting some cosmic realignment before he pulls the trigger. Or mummy has said No! he is taking the piss. hes taking the piss playing Herrera at CB. hes taking the piss playing McTomminay at CB. hes taking the piss playing fellaini, matic and Herrera as midfield 3. hes taking the piss not coaching his team how to attack properly. off the ball runs, interplay, quick passing. this is coachable and he must not do it because I have not seen it in 3 years. |
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Post by _ on Nov 14, 2018 12:09:04 GMT
Jose isn't taking the piss. He can't sack himself. Woodchip is probably awaiting some cosmic realignment before he pulls the trigger. Or mummy has said No! he is taking the piss. hes taking the piss playing Herrera at CB. hes taking the piss playing McTomminay at CB. hes taking the piss playing fellaini, matic and Herrera as midfield 3. hes taking the piss not coaching his team how to attack properly. off the ball runs, interplay, quick passing. this is coachable and he must not do it because I have not seen it in 3 years. Solari appointed to Real on a permanent basis, 5 years in coaching and no senior management experience before and has turned it round. Solari, Zidane, Guardiola, Conte, Negelsman, Enrigue to name a few. How come all these guys with little experience or none get these big jobs and do well. Barca and Real are different, but when one of the old boys gets the job they seem to get it they play out of their skin. If we do make a change I just hope the fuck they consider someone with talent and potential and not just the big CV and ego |
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Post by Karma on Nov 14, 2018 12:41:32 GMT
he is taking the piss. hes taking the piss playing Herrera at CB. hes taking the piss playing McTomminay at CB. hes taking the piss playing fellaini, matic and Herrera as midfield 3. hes taking the piss not coaching his team how to attack properly. off the ball runs, interplay, quick passing. this is coachable and he must not do it because I have not seen it in 3 years. Solari appointed to Real on a permanent basis, 5 years in coaching and no senior management experience before and has turned it round. Solari, Zidane, Guardiola, Conte, Negelsman, Enrigue to name a few. How come all these guys with little experience or none get these big jobs and do well. Barca and Real are different, but when one of the old boys gets the job they seem to get it they play out of their skin. If we do make a change I just hope the fuck they consider someone with talent and potential and not just the big CV and ego They have better owners? If they do turn out to be shit they don't keep them hanging around like a bad smell until all targets have been missed? Until the owners start showing some competence hiring a rookie would be a huge gamble. |
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Post by Stew on Nov 14, 2018 15:26:33 GMT
You also have to factor in how much of a ‘cheat-mode’ it is for rookie managers at these jobs with Messi and Ronnie in place. Had Ed gotten Bale or Ronnie for Moyes then he’d have appeared to have been a far better manager than he actually was. I know I’ve been banging the ZZ drum given how impressive the turn around was but I can’t stake my life on him being a nailed on success here.
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 14, 2018 15:48:20 GMT
You also have to factor in how much of a ‘cheat-mode’ it is for rookie managers at these jobs with Messi and Ronnie in place. Had Ed gotten Bale or Ronnie for Moyes then he’d have appeared to have been a far better manager than he actually was. I know I’ve been banging the ZZ drum given how impressive the turn around was but I can’t stake my life on him being a nailed on success here. As much as that may be true about real and Barca having the great squads plenty of manangers have been there and failed with those superb squads, these big players still need motivating and still need to be playing a certain way, Moyes could have had George best fat Ronaldo or who ever in the squad and he would have still been shite imo |
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Post by Stew on Nov 14, 2018 16:19:43 GMT
You also have to factor in how much of a ‘cheat-mode’ it is for rookie managers at these jobs with Messi and Ronnie in place. Had Ed gotten Bale or Ronnie for Moyes then he’d have appeared to have been a far better manager than he actually was. I know I’ve been banging the ZZ drum given how impressive the turn around was but I can’t stake my life on him being a nailed on success here. As much as that may be true about real and Barca having the great squads plenty of manangers have been there and failed with those superb squads, these big players still need motivating and still need to be playing a certain way, Moyes could have had George best fat Ronaldo or who ever in the squad and he would have still been shite imo I totally disagree. Luis Enrique had achieved nothing as a manager until the Barca job. And then he won everything. And Real’s recently fired manager, do you think he wishes he had Ronaldo? He leaves and they go to shit. Coincidence? Bar Atletico’s title, no one has really ‘failed’ at either Barca or Real since Ronnie joined and Messi emerged. They more or less shared the trophies amongst them. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 14, 2018 16:38:58 GMT
You also have to factor in how much of a ‘cheat-mode’ it is for rookie managers at these jobs with Messi and Ronnie in place. Had Ed gotten Bale or Ronnie for Moyes then he’d have appeared to have been a far better manager than he actually was. I know I’ve been banging the ZZ drum given how impressive the turn around was but I can’t stake my life on him being a nailed on success here. As much as that may be true about real and Barca having the great squads plenty of manangers have been there and failed with those superb squads, these big players still need motivating and still need to be playing a certain way, Moyes could have had George best fat Ronaldo or who ever in the squad and he would have still been shite imo The motivation for players at these clubs is they have a short time to deliver or they are out on their arse. How many of our players nearing testimonials would have lasted as long at clubs like this? It's similar at City, not good enough then on your bike even if you come with a big reputation. Ours keep getting contract renewals just in case some sucker wants to buy them. It's becoming a retirement home for duds. We have become a club of Anderson's. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 14, 2018 16:43:04 GMT
As much as that may be true about real and Barca having the great squads plenty of manangers have been there and failed with those superb squads, these big players still need motivating and still need to be playing a certain way, Moyes could have had George best fat Ronaldo or who ever in the squad and he would have still been shite imo I totally disagree. Luis Enrique had achieved nothing as a manager until the Barca job. And then he won everything. And Real’s recently fired manager, do you think he wishes he had Ronaldo? He leaves and they go to shit. Coincidence? Bar Atletico’s title, no one has really ‘failed’ at either Barca or Real since Ronnie joined and Messi emerged. They more or less shared the trophies amongst them. But they continue to be used as a reason to give rookies a chance. For every Pep there are 10 duds who don't deliver. Seemingly they are forgotten about, it's oh well Pep did it, Zidane did it. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 14, 2018 17:26:58 GMT
As much as that may be true about real and Barca having the great squads plenty of manangers have been there and failed with those superb squads, these big players still need motivating and still need to be playing a certain way, Moyes could have had George best fat Ronaldo or who ever in the squad and he would have still been shite imo I totally disagree. Luis Enrique had achieved nothing as a manager until the Barca job. And then he won everything. And Real’s recently fired manager, do you think he wishes he had Ronaldo? He leaves and they go to shit. Coincidence? Bar Atletico’s title, no one has really ‘failed’ at either Barca or Real since Ronnie joined and Messi emerged. They more or less shared the trophies amongst them. I just don't think it's a black a white as that, as in anybody could go and win everything if you manage real or Barca because of Messi and Ronaldo, surely the manager would still need to have something about him to get the players motivated, would need the right tactics to get the players playing to the right level. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 14, 2018 18:21:31 GMT
Well Enrique failed at Roma didn't he?
I think some of the factors I suggested earlier go some way to why Barca and Madrid seem to be better at riding through a storm than us.
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 14, 2018 18:57:33 GMT
Well Enrique failed at Roma didn't he? I think some of the factors I suggested earlier go some way to why Barca and Madrid seem to be better at riding through a storm than us. Well think they finished 7th or 8th so not a great season but they was never going to win the League tho, but also maybe he improved as a manger it was only his first proper job, I bet there is plenty of managers out there who didn't have the best first job but went back worked on things and ended up very good coaches |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 15, 2018 9:12:12 GMT
As much as that may be true about real and Barca having the great squads plenty of manangers have been there and failed with those superb squads, these big players still need motivating and still need to be playing a certain way, Moyes could have had George best fat Ronaldo or who ever in the squad and he would have still been shite imo I totally disagree. Luis Enrique had achieved nothing as a manager until the Barca job. And then he won everything. And Real’s recently fired manager, do you think he wishes he had Ronaldo? He leaves and they go to shit. Coincidence? Bar Atletico’s title, no one has really ‘failed’ at either Barca or Real since Ronnie joined and Messi emerged. They more or less shared the trophies amongst them.  |
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Post by Stew on Nov 15, 2018 9:46:28 GMT
I totally disagree. Luis Enrique had achieved nothing as a manager until the Barca job. And then he won everything. And Real’s recently fired manager, do you think he wishes he had Ronaldo? He leaves and they go to shit. Coincidence? Bar Atletico’s title, no one has really ‘failed’ at either Barca or Real since Ronnie joined and Messi emerged. They more or less shared the trophies amongst them. Wait staff don’t count. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 15, 2018 10:20:45 GMT
Fair. And I do agree with your original point. |
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