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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 22:44:49 GMT
Southampton away...no thanks.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 24, 2018 22:54:14 GMT
Southampton away...no thanks. 1 win, 5 draws in the league. 3 wins all season. Perfect time to draw 0-0 with them |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 22:58:12 GMT
I think people have overlooked Palace's biggest tactic today, never take the lead! How can we possibly beat a team if we don't go behind first? Sly bastards!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 22:58:24 GMT
You obviously didn't see LVG's football previously described as like watching a baggage carousel at an airport. Sideways, backwards, sideways football. Rinse and repeat. LVG bagged good results now and again but the football was primarily as described above. Certainly wasn't free-flowing or attack minded, more downright boring, he was generally cautious. The football was absolutely dire here under him, I don't remember saying anything different.
I'm disagreeing with the notion of him being a defensive appointment from the board's perspective. He has never been thought of as a defensive manager and I don't believe he, in his own mind sent a team out with a defence first mentality.
That didn't stop his football being utterly wank though.
His tactics here weren't defensive. The idea was to pass the ball around the oppo box and unlock their defense. Di Maria was great at it for a while, as was Martial and Rashford. Everyone else couldn't adjust to the football at all as the were used to playing with more space, not shirt passing and lots of pace in the play. The Leicester game when Vardy destroyed our defense didn't help either. It just didn't work out. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 24, 2018 23:02:03 GMT
I think people have overlooked Palace's biggest tactic today, never take the lead! How can we possibly beat a team if we don't go behind first? Sly bastards! Ooh, didn't think of that. Thats cheating. |
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Post by . on Nov 25, 2018 0:29:05 GMT
The football was absolutely dire here under him, I don't remember saying anything different.
I'm disagreeing with the notion of him being a defensive appointment from the board's perspective. He has never been thought of as a defensive manager and I don't believe he, in his own mind sent a team out with a defence first mentality.
That didn't stop his football being utterly wank though.
His tactics here weren't defensive. The idea was to pass the ball around the oppo box and unlock their defense. Di Maria was great at it for a while, as was Martial and Rashford. Everyone else couldn't adjust to the football at all as the were used to playing with more space, not shirt passing and lots of pace in the play. The Leicester game when Vardy destroyed our defense didn't help either. It just didn't work out. Sideways, backwards, limited, mind-numblingly boring football that LVG was renowned for, basically containing football in and around our centre half's and being knocked back to them by our midfielders when they got it, going around in circles in our defensive third of the pitch...didn't translate into defensive tactic's?? Okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 0:41:43 GMT
I think people have overlooked Palace's biggest tactic today, never take the lead! How can we possibly beat a team if we don't go behind first? Sly bastards! I blame the lino for disallowing their goal  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 3:18:56 GMT
His tactics here weren't defensive. The idea was to pass the ball around the oppo box and unlock their defense. Di Maria was great at it for a while, as was Martial and Rashford. Everyone else couldn't adjust to the football at all as the were used to playing with more space, not shirt passing and lots of pace in the play. The Leicester game when Vardy destroyed our defense didn't help either. It just didn't work out. Sideways, backwards, limited, mind-numblingly boring football that LVG was renowned for, basically containing football in and around our centre half's and being knocked back to them by our midfielders when they got it, going around in circles in our defensive third of the pitch...didn't translate into defensive tactic's?? Okay. Boring doesn't mean defensive. Possesion football is usually boring. Barca under Pep were borig as fuck just really, really good. He wanted it played up front and he wanted possesion. It's not like he was putting 10 behind the ball. |
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Post by juanveron on Nov 25, 2018 6:55:11 GMT
Funnily enough I actually think out of the 3 appointments so far, LVG was probably the most well thought out. It just didn't work. I think you're 100% right. Hiring Jose was obviously a reaction to City hiring Pep. I still think Louis lost his shit when we played Leicester away and they overcame the 1:3 deficit. |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 25, 2018 7:28:26 GMT
Moyes was a dud, a thank you to Ferguson
LVG I agree looked a smart appointment, seemed to have the ingredients of what we needed
Jose the man that should have got the job in the first place really was just a reaction appointment, they have pep we have Jose, let’s market that and make more money off the pitch.
We appointed managers reflective of the clubs.
Them progressive and aggressively forward thinking, is pedestrian, afraid to take the hand brakes off, in decline and abit petty
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 8:17:57 GMT
That dinner Ferguson had with Pep was always a bit of a coincidence. I think he was effectively being sounded out but wasn't interested. He was the man who should've taken over, not Mourinho and I say that as one of Pep's biggest doubters for a long time.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 25, 2018 8:18:10 GMT
More verbose bullshit from “The Special One”
Jose Mourinho claims Manchester United players lacked two things vs Crystal Palace
Man Utd drew their Premier League fixture vs Crystal Palace and Jose Mourinho had another pop at his players at Old Trafford.
17:51, 24 NOV 2018Updated18:51, 24 NOV 2018
Jose Mourinho accused some Manchester United players of lacking desire and heart after their dismal draw with Crystal Palace.
United failed to score at Old Trafford for the fourth time this season as they suffered their first Premier League goalless draw of the campaign. United have now taken one point from their last six and could end Saturday evening seven points adrift of the top four only by virtue of Tottenham playing Chelsea at Wembley.
Jesse Lingard, Juan Mata and Paul Pogba were substituted as United attempted to force a breakthrough in a week where Mourinho questioned Lingard, Marcus Rashford, Anthony Martial and Luke Shaw's character.
Mourinho was in no mood to sugar coat United's display, which was greeted by boos from the Old Trafford crowd at full-time.
"A bad result," Mourinho said. "No chance this is one point that we win because they are two points that you lose.
"I think Crystal Palace deserve their credit, they deserve because they come for this and got it and fought for it and gave everything for it, so I deserve the credit, I don't want to take their credit away but we should also blame ourselves for the result.
"Because we start really well and did the most difficult thing apart from score, which is to find the spaces to play against a team that is very closed and we found by analysing the opponent and by training and by bringing these ideas to the game. We found that.
"We use very well the sides and making them move to the sides, and then go to the other side, we did that very, very well, but not enough intensity, not enough desire. So I think we played a game like one more game and I don't think the game is one more game is a game we really need to win.
"If we played with the same philosophy against Young Boys then we don't win and then we have to go to Valencia to win the game in Valencia, so there are matches that are special matches and are not just one more. And this one was not just one more, this was the first of eight Premier League games until end of December and was a game we need to win.
"And my feeling is was not enough from the heart, we must play with brain, we must play with also heart and I think there was not enough heart.
"I am what I am. And every individual is different individual, there are people who have a bad dinner, there is people that will enjoy a nice dinner and there will even be people that will party. I think that's the way it is.
"What's the solution? You cannot change players' natures dramatically. The solution is that probably I have to make certain choices based on heart and then probably I will play myself. Because I will think heart is not enough and I am missing here some quality.
"Palace deserve some credit but we have to blame ourselves. I think [Wayne] Hennessey, apart from the brilliant saves he made, he won 10 minutes in accumulation of every time he had the ball for goal kicks. He won 10 minutes, but we also lost probably 30 minutes by letting them breathe when they had the ball, letting them move the ball in midfield.
Lindelof suffered an injury late on
Lindelof suffered an injury late on
"And we also lost because we didn't have that intensity that, in my opinion, is basically related with your brain, with your heart. Because in the end, I know national teams are very dangerous and I always say or they get injured in the national team or they get injured when they come back from the national team. Which is what happened to Victor [Lindelof].
"But I tried to play with a team with the super majority of the players not involved in national team matches to try and have that freshness in the players and I had that freshness but below the limit of the intensity.
"You can influence players especially when they are open to it, when a player is open to it, when a player realises he has to give more and change his nature a little bit when they are open, they change. There are many, many, many examples, that coaches, managers, change a little bit, not the DNA, but the players' emotional qualities."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 8:48:46 GMT
Brilliant from the Swedish player of the year
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 9:22:02 GMT
Lindelof our best outfield player this season? He really can't be too far off.
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Post by Karma on Nov 25, 2018 9:29:48 GMT
That dinner Ferguson had with Pep was always a bit of a coincidence. I think he was effectively being sounded out but wasn't interested. He was the man who should've taken over, not Mourinho and I say that as one of Pep's biggest doubters for a long time. Moyes was the chosen one. He was told by Fergie not to sign a new contract. Fergie was blindsided and the board were sold what they thought would get them regular top 4 without breaking the bank. |
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