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Post by stilgar on Nov 25, 2018 20:30:16 GMT
Yeah but if we would of got that 1 CB Jose wanted we would now be playing free flowing attacking football and probably be top of the league. Take the piss all you want. SAF's teams were built on a solid centre half partnership. Sir Alex had a system and a team where the whole thing didn't fell to pieces if a player or two had to skip some games and a worse player had to do the job. For example if I remember correctly at the time when van der Sar made his clean sheet record our back four changed a lot.
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Post by . on Nov 25, 2018 20:46:50 GMT
Don't forget, worst start in 28 years and Smalling and Young get bumper deals.
Just cannot for the life of me see why these guys merited these deals, and that's before you talk about Sanchez's 505K per week.
Too many players stealing a living, including the deadwood- Darmian, Jones etc. Absolutely shameful. Too many of them don't understand what the club stands for- most certainly attacking football wise and history wise.
There was a stat about Young yesterday, crossed it in 11 times in a row and failed to hit a red shirt.
Also, Young shouldn't be captain in any way, shape or form.
We really do have a shit-load of issues from top to bottom in the club.
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Post by . on Nov 25, 2018 21:26:01 GMT
Don't forget, worst start in 28 years and Smalling and Young get bumper deals. Just cannot for the life of me see why these guys merited these deals, and that's before you talk about Sanchez's 505K per week. Too many players stealing a living, including the deadwood- Darmian, Jones etc. Absolutely shameful. Too many of them don't understand what the club stands for- most certainly attacking football wise and history wise. There was a stat about Young yesterday, crossed it in 11 times in a row and failed to hit a red shirt. Also, Young shouldn't be captain in any way, shape or form. We really do have a shit-load of issues from top to bottom in the club. I see what you're saying, but I think the last part is unfair to Young. He's always given 100%, played wherever when asked, and if he's not a real fullback, that's not his fault. I also didn't mind him being captain. After Neville left, he was one of the only people who could actually deliver a cross. Didn't he put in like 79 of the famous 81 crosses under Moyes in one game? Also, two of the red shirts (at least) he was aiming for were worn by players who are shit. |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 25, 2018 21:26:08 GMT
Cheers. Disappointing as he's been a bright spot recently. Need him to eventually step up in situations like that. It's what kicked Ronaldo on to the level he's at. Hard to be too critical when so much around him is painfully average. You know why Ronaldo kicked into gear ? Keane . The pure value of a captain like that is immeasurable. Right now we have a fucking bunch of soft as fuck prima donnas and not a single leader among the lot of them. So there's nobody to hold them accountable and responsible. Keane was an extension of Ferguson on the pitch. THE role model. Who the fuck do we have now among this lot ... Keane. Nev. Rio. Edwin. Giggs' example. Ole. Even Ruud and their apparent issues. Leaders, winners. Meulensteen and Queiroz on the coaching side. Nothing we have comes close to that now. |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 25, 2018 21:27:02 GMT
Don't forget, worst start in 28 years and Smalling and Young get bumper deals. Just cannot for the life of me see why these guys merited these deals, and that's before you talk about Sanchez's 505K per week. Too many players stealing a living, including the deadwood- Darmian, Jones etc. Absolutely shameful. Too many of them don't understand what the club stands for- most certainly attacking football wise and history wise. There was a stat about Young yesterday, crossed it in 11 times in a row and failed to hit a red shirt. Also, Young shouldn't be captain in any way, shape or form. We really do have a shit-load of issues from top to bottom in the club. I see what you're saying, but I think the last part is unfair to Young. He's always given 100%, played wherever when asked, and if he's not a real fullback, that's not his fault. I also didn't mind him being captain. After Neville left, he was one of the only people who could actually deliver a cross. Didn't he put in like 79 of the famous 81 crosses under Moyes in one game? Also, two of the red shirts (at least) he was amazing for were worn by players who are shit. Wut? |
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 25, 2018 21:29:04 GMT
You know why Ronaldo kicked into gear ? Keane . The pure value of a captain like that is immeasurable. Right now we have a fucking bunch of soft as fuck prima donnas and not a single leader among the lot of them. So there's nobody to hold them accountable and responsible. Keane was an extension of Ferguson on the pitch. THE role model. Who the fuck do we have now among this lot ... Keane. Nev. Rio. Edwin. Giggs' example. Ole. Even Ruud and their apparent issues. Leaders, winners. Meulensteen and Queiroz on the coaching side. Nothing we have comes close to that now. I would have queiroz back in a heart beat in the backroom staff |
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Post by . on Nov 25, 2018 22:11:19 GMT
The worrying thing is that the hierarchy at the club are accepting this dire football because we're cleaning up commercially.
But as I alluded to earlier, what's even more worrying is that they won't sack him until top four becomes mathematically impossible, which by then it will be too late because Jose will have fucked us right up, and we didn't address it earlier by getting a new manager in.
Which then has a knock-on effect of our commercial partners being tempted to pull the rug out from under us as they don't want to be associated with dire football and a mid-table team who hasn't got Champions League football.
Keep him on and we're asking for trouble if we don't get rid of him before Christmas
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Post by Kamilo on Nov 26, 2018 5:51:29 GMT
I’ve been quiet lately as there’s not much to say about our conundrum that hasn’t been said before.
This one wasn’t televised so I listened on MUTV. Sounded like our most creative player after Mata was taken off was Ashley Young. And we’ve yet to tie down our star men to contracts. Mourinho out.
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Post by juanveron on Nov 26, 2018 5:57:11 GMT
The worrying thing is that the hierarchy at the club are accepting this dire football because we're cleaning up commercially. But as I alluded to earlier, what's even more worrying is that they won't sack him until top four becomes mathematically impossible, which by then it will be too late because Jose will have fucked us right up, and we didn't address it earlier by getting a new manager in. Which then has a knock-on effect of our commercial partners being tempted to pull the rug out from under us as they don't want to be associated with dire football and a mid-table team who hasn't got Champions League football. Keep him on and we're asking for trouble if we don't get rid of him before Christmas At this rate, I would say we might have a new manager by February  |
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Post by juanveron on Nov 26, 2018 6:06:59 GMT
I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to football news during the last couple of days, but did Jose actually criticize our younger players to the press, by name, last week? If true, then seriously the guy just doesn't learn - not one of the players he had on the pitch on Saturday has ever responded positively to him doing that, the only exception is Shaw and he wasn't even playing.
This kind of stuff, if true, really epitomizes Jose's outdated approach to man-management with players nowadays. Even if painful to watch, Jose's football can still win you titles or keep you highly competitive (Deschamps won the World Cup playing Jose-101, Simeone isn't that much different and is doing well), but it's the relationships with the players that I think is really hurting him here. Whether we like it or not, these players are looking for a boss they want to work for and with, they're not going to give 100% to someone they don't like - as fucked up as it may be given how much money these bastards are making.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 26, 2018 9:10:58 GMT
LVG is the one I like the most - more for his press conferences than anything. I like Jose too though. I think both were excellent managers past their prime (LVG more than Jose but both nonetheless). Aye, I've never been a fan of Mourinho but not because I doubted his managerial abilities because he's a cunt. I was more than happy for him to become our cunt though, with the thought that he could crack and go full Jose eventually but ultimately because I believe we're his dream job and he'd be incredibly determined to make a success of it.
Unfortunately, for the most part we have got absolutely nothing of the old Jose. In fact, it's really only been the last few weeks, particularly the Newcastle, Chelsea and Juventus games where we've seen a glimpse of who I wanted him to be for us.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 26, 2018 9:16:03 GMT
What happened to Martial yesterday? He had a quiet/poor game. Shaw being out allowed Palace to double up on him as they knew Young offered no threat from the left. Young cuts back on to his favored right foot and they defended it easily (11 unsuccessful crosses I read.) Shaw can still improve his attacking but teams have to respect the natural width he provides. Which in turn helps the LW whoever it is. I still think one of Memphis' biggest problems here was Shaw's injury. His good start to life at the club coincided with him and Shaw starting to develop a great working partnership. |
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Post by caino on Nov 26, 2018 9:28:01 GMT
the quicker people accept were a bang average, expensive, mid-table team the easier it will be for you. were not improving anytime soon. were not changing anytime soon at management level or board/structure level.
the season is over already. im not gonna get worked up no more. I cant deal with wasting my energy on this club, when the owners, manager and players don't care themselves.
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Post by Bestie on Nov 26, 2018 9:59:47 GMT
The worrying thing is that the hierarchy at the club are accepting this dire football because we're cleaning up commercially. But as I alluded to earlier, what's even more worrying is that they won't sack him until top four becomes mathematically impossible, which by then it will be too late because Jose will have fucked us right up, and we didn't address it earlier by getting a new manager in. Which then has a knock-on effect of our commercial partners being tempted to pull the rug out from under us as they don't want to be associated with dire football and a mid-table team who hasn't got Champions League football. Keep him on and we're asking for trouble if we don't get rid of him before Christmas None of this is new information. Except that shite about commercial partners caring. We're a name, not a football team. Sponsorship income proves it. I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to football news during the last couple of days, but did Jose actually criticize our younger players to the press, by name, last week? If true, then seriously the guy just doesn't learn - not one of the players he had on the pitch on Saturday has ever responded positively to him doing that, the only exception is Shaw and he wasn't even playing. This kind of stuff, if true, really epitomizes Jose's outdated approach to man-management with players nowadays. Even if painful to watch, Jose's football can still win you titles or keep you highly competitive (Deschamps won the World Cup playing Jose-101, Simeone isn't that much different and is doing well), but it's the relationships with the players that I think is really hurting him here. Whether we like it or not, these players are looking for a boss they want to work for and with, they're not going to give 100% to someone they don't like - as fucked up as it may be given how much money these bastards are making. No. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 26, 2018 10:49:12 GMT
I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to football news during the last couple of days, but did Jose actually criticize our younger players to the press, by name, last week? If true, then seriously the guy just doesn't learn - not one of the players he had on the pitch on Saturday has ever responded positively to him doing that, the only exception is Shaw and he wasn't even playing. This kind of stuff, if true, really epitomizes Jose's outdated approach to man-management with players nowadays. Even if painful to watch, Jose's football can still win you titles or keep you highly competitive (Deschamps won the World Cup playing Jose-101, Simeone isn't that much different and is doing well), but it's the relationships with the players that I think is really hurting him here. Whether we like it or not, these players are looking for a boss they want to work for and with, they're not going to give 100% to someone they don't like - as fucked up as it may be given how much money these bastards are making. Google the correct translation and there was nothing wrong with what he said! |
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