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Post by juanveron on Dec 6, 2018 6:32:36 GMT
I agree about Dalot who wasn’t that sound defensively either. And yes, it was depressing when Lukaku came on and we switched back to hoofing at him and tree. So do we want youth to play or not ? Because this is how it is . They will make mistakes and they will show naivete. If we don't have the patience to tolerate these mistakes then we really cannot complain that youth don't get a chance at this club. Can't have it both ways. It's bloody ridiculous. One week we'll see these boards moaning about Young , and when finally Dalot does play, we see complaints about him too. He can grow into the position and in confidence by being played against easier opponents. |
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Post by redcase on Dec 6, 2018 6:35:02 GMT
Didnt watch this game, but a 2-2 scoreline against this lot is not bad. They're playing very well and we are not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 6:36:15 GMT
In 2 on 1s he got caught out a few times, yet no goal came from his error. It's not doom and gloom just yet lads
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Post by redcase on Dec 6, 2018 6:37:51 GMT
So do we want youth to play or not ? Because this is how it is . They will make mistakes and they will show naivete. If we don't have the patience to tolerate these mistakes then we really cannot complain that youth don't get a chance at this club. Can't have it both ways. It's bloody ridiculous. One week we'll see these boards moaning about Young , and when finally Dalot does play, we see complaints about him too. He can grow into the position and in confidence by being played against easier opponents. And who should we have played in his stead ? Young? I don't see people clamoring for that. I know I'd much rather Dalot play and be allowed to learn, even if it involves mistakes . |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 6, 2018 6:48:49 GMT
I'd stick with Valencia for now as our first choice RB. If it's between Dalot and Young then I would use Young when we play against a major rival or have a really tough away game, otherwise, Dalot should be used so he can grow into the role.
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Post by . on Dec 6, 2018 6:56:53 GMT
Didnt watch this game, but a 2-2 scoreline against this lot is not bad. They're playing very well and we are not. It's a bad result when it's your third draw in a row, 3 points from a possible 9 and when your stranded in 8th position in the table. He clearly should have gone after the Sevilla game but that's a whole other argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 7:05:11 GMT
I agree about Dalot who wasn’t that sound defensively either. And yes, it was depressing when Lukaku came on and we switched back to hoofing at him and tree. So do we want youth to play or not ? Because this is how it is . They will make mistakes and they will show naivete. If we don't have the patience to tolerate these mistakes then we really cannot complain that youth don't get a chance at this club. Can't have it both ways. It's bloody ridiculous. One week we'll see these boards moaning about Young , and when finally Dalot does play, we see complaints about him too. Criticism of his performance rather than complaints. He was poor last night. I still hope he starts against Fulham. And Bailly too. Should have played against So'ton, YB and Palace too, but Jose talked about being top 4 by the end of December before he switched to virology.
In an ideal world we'd have seen TFM and Tuanzebe getting a decent run as the league season is a write off. Can we call back either? I hope we won't have a better chance for introducing youngsters than this season. They'll get us over the 40 points mark that will keep us in the league. We aren't getting anything better this season. Hopefully not a EL spot. |
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Post by caino on Dec 6, 2018 7:08:21 GMT
not gonna criticise Dalot at at all. he has played about 4 games for our first team including this. hes gonna take time. he was up against a very good team too. he wasn't our worst player.
Jose has shown in this game hes got it wrong all season. the absence of Bailly all season is baffling and the introduction of Lukaku killed us. even pogba did fuck all when they came on. was like playing with 10 men with lukaku up front.
miles off the pace tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 7:08:30 GMT
He can grow into the position and in confidence by being played against easier opponents. And who should we have played in his stead ? Young? I don't see people clamoring for that. I know I'd much rather Dalot play and be allowed to learn, even if it involves mistakes . It's a bit more complicated than that. Young has been one of our better performers this season. Then, hardly anyone is satisfied with him being a first choice FB. But then I'd have him at RB ahead of Dalot when we go to Anfield in two weeks. It hardly makes sense, but this is an example how unbalanced our squad is. |
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Post by Tatty on Dec 6, 2018 8:07:33 GMT
Thought Dalot was alright tbf. He was targeted as the weak point and didn't get much help.
Anyway, game as a whole. Though we were value for a draw and at least I wasn't bored.
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Post by . on Dec 6, 2018 8:24:05 GMT
What's even more frightening is that Leicester, Brighton and Watford are within striking distance of us in the table.
If we don't put away Fulham on Saturday, then lose away at Anfield it's more than likely we could end up in the bottom half of the table.
Terrifying.
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Post by On a break on Dec 6, 2018 8:45:51 GMT
At least Mourinho is right about one thing Pogba is a virus his passing and awareness are atrocious.
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Post by Karma on Dec 6, 2018 8:54:16 GMT
Managers don't have time now to psychoanalyse players. It might help though if the CEO didn't have such a hard on for 'names '. Throwing money around has attracted too many of the wrong kind of players. It doesn't take a lot of time to learn soneone's character and it isn't for the CEO to judge it. Keep trying though. Fergie didn't always get the judgement right. Tevez? What about players who seem grounded initially and then the success goes to their head? Plenty of those around. Or those who shag their brother's wife? Shag prostitutes? Have multiple partners despite being married and try to get injunctions to stop the press writing about it? Those who prioritise celebrity over football? Alcoholics Addictive personalities? Wife beaters? Drink drivers? Those who allow their agents to control them ? Characteristics like that? Yeah a background check would have stopped us having problems like those? Keep trying though. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 6, 2018 9:00:50 GMT
The Premier League season is a write-off anyway, might as well blood the kids in for next season at this point. I'd happily see Dalot start every week for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Kojak on Dec 6, 2018 9:04:10 GMT
It doesn't take a lot of time to learn soneone's character and it isn't for the CEO to judge it. Keep trying though. Fergie didn't always get the judgement right. Tevez? What about players who seem grounded initially and then the success goes to their head? Plenty of those around. Or those who shag their brother's wife? Shag prostitutes? Have multiple partners despite being married and try to get injunctions to stop the press writing about it? Those who prioritise celebrity over football? Alcoholics Addictive personalities? Wife beaters? Drink drivers? Those who allow their agents to control them ? Characteristics like that? Yeah a background check would have stopped us having problems like those? Keep trying though. Those things have nothing to do with their character on the pitch though. In a sporting context, you can't question the character of Ryan Giggs etc. Players that never hid. The players now are fucking cowards, the vast majority of them want nowt to do with it when it gets tough. In terms of interests outside of football, there's not much difference between Pogba and say, David Beckham, but there's a world of difference between the two in a footballing context. |
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