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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 19:17:00 GMT
Stop mentioning Moyes, we all know where and who made that appointment. Howe is already managing and doing a damn fine job, comparing him with all those names makes no sense, apologies if I am missing the link. Yes the job needs more than a coach, it needs a separation of Ed from football activities. If that’s done wonderful, if not more of a reason a coach who is forwarding thinking and happy to create something is needed It needs more than just a good structure behind a manager, because he would be a rookie manager. Ask yourself , would City, Chelsea or Liverpool appoint him? Spurs might but none of those other clubs would. Moyes won fuck all before he joined United, one 4th place finish in all his time at Everton. Just because he was a bit of a dinosaur doesn't mean the criteria changes. That's where any comparison lies. You have such a short memory. Bin dippers gambled on a young and touted domestic manager in Brendan Rogers. If Klopp hadn't worked out, I fully believe they would be after the likes of Howe. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 8, 2018 19:27:05 GMT
It needs more than just a good structure behind a manager, because he would be a rookie manager. Ask yourself , would City, Chelsea or Liverpool appoint him? Spurs might but none of those other clubs would. Moyes won fuck all before he joined United, one 4th place finish in all his time at Everton. Just because he was a bit of a dinosaur doesn't mean the criteria changes. That's where any comparison lies. You have such a short memory. Bin dippers gambled on a young and touted domestic manager in Brendan Rogers. If Klopp hadn't worked out, I fully believe they would be after the likes of Howe. They gambled on Rogers and he was sacked. At least Klopp had a decent CV before he arrived. I would be more than happy for them or Spurs to gamble on Howe. Rather them than us. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 20:22:34 GMT
You have such a short memory. Bin dippers gambled on a young and touted domestic manager in Brendan Rogers. If Klopp hadn't worked out, I fully believe they would be after the likes of Howe. They gambled on Rogers and he was sacked. At least Klopp had a decent CV before he arrived. I would be more than happy for them or Spurs to gamble on Howe. Rather them than us. Well so far we have failed with: *Domestic manager who "knows the league". Plays reactive football but gets results against big teams. Wins manager of the year a couple times and gets high finishes (including Champs league) for small club. *Older/journeyman foreign manager. Plays possession football. Had some great success in different leagues. Won Eredivisie, La Liga, Bundesliga, Champs League, UEFA Cup and steered a decent Dutch team to 3rd in World Cup. Also promotes youth. *One of the most successful managers in modern history. Plays defensive football but wins everywhere he goes. The fact that none of them have the same style or really have much in common on the pitch leads me to believe the real problem lies with what this team wants to present itself as. Does it want to be an attacking team? If it does, why hire cautious managers? Our next manager needs to be based on football style. It needs to be adventurous attacking. Needs to promote youth. Needs to be smart in the transfer market. Ideally be a winner elsewhere but the right man is more important. There are question marks over every potentially available Mourinho replacement. I'll gloss over the top 3 in my eyes. *Zidane would get the best out of Pogba, but he is used to big budgets or unbelieveable players already there. He would need time to make this squad his own. He did push some youth talents though. I don't know if he is willing to take on a project or does he want to slot right into a winning side? *Poch could probably get a good tune out of this squad right now. His reliance on wing back play could work with Shaw and Dalot, but he has a talented squad at Spurs but hasn't won anything. Does promote youth and hasn't had much of a budget in the market to work with. *Jardim managed to put great squads together considering he kept losing his most talented lads every year. Won Ligue 1 on a shoestring compared to PSG. Promotes youth. Plays attacking football and likes variations of 442. There are plenty more options, but out of these 3 at least 2 of them are attacking managers. We could do a lot worse than take a punt on Jardim. Ticks all the boxes. Poch does know the league but will be hard to convince to leave Spurs unless he has given up the cause. Will certainly cost a fortune. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 20:30:30 GMT
They gambled on Rogers and he was sacked. At least Klopp had a decent CV before he arrived. I would be more than happy for them or Spurs to gamble on Howe. Rather them than us. Well so far we have failed with: *Domestic manager who "knows the league". Plays reactive football but gets results against big teams. Wins manager of the year a couple times and gets high finishes (including Champs league) for small club. *Older/journeyman foreign manager. Plays possession football. Had some great success in different leagues. Won Eredivisie, La Liga, Bundesliga, Champs League, UEFA Cup and steered a decent Dutch team to 3rd in World Cup. Also promotes youth. *One of the most successful managers in modern history. Plays defensive football but wins everywhere he goes. The fact that none of them have the same style or really have much in common on the pitch leads me to believe the real problem lies with what this team wants to present itself as. Does it want to be an attacking team? If it does, why hire cautious managers? Our next manager needs to be based on football style. It needs to be adventurous attacking. Needs to promote youth. Needs to be smart in the transfer market. Ideally be a winner elsewhere but the right man is more important. There are question marks over every potentially available Mourinho replacement. I'll gloss over the top 3 in my eyes. *Zidane would get the best out of Pogba, but he is used to big budgets or unbelieveable players already there. He would need time to make this squad his own. He did push some youth talents though. I don't know if he is willing to take on a project or does he want to slot right into a winning side? *Poch could probably get a good tune out of this squad right now. His reliance on wing back play could work with Shaw and Dalot, but he has a talented squad at Spurs but hasn't won anything. Does promote youth and hasn't had much of a budget in the market to work with. *Jardim managed to put great squads together considering he kept losing his most talented lads every year. Won Ligue 1 on a shoestring compared to PSG. Promotes youth. Plays attacking football and likes variations of 442. There are plenty more options, but out of these 3 at least 2 of them are attacking managers. We could do a lot worse than take a punt on Jardim. Ticks all the boxes. Poch does know the league but will be hard to convince to leave Spurs unless he has given up the cause. Will certainly cost a fortune. Good post. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 8, 2018 21:01:03 GMT
They gambled on Rogers and he was sacked. At least Klopp had a decent CV before he arrived. I would be more than happy for them or Spurs to gamble on Howe. Rather them than us. Well so far we have failed with: *Domestic manager who "knows the league". Plays reactive football but gets results against big teams. Wins manager of the year a couple times and gets high finishes (including Champs league) for small club. *Older/journeyman foreign manager. Plays possession football. Had some great success in different leagues. Won Eredivisie, La Liga, Bundesliga, Champs League, UEFA Cup and steered a decent Dutch team to 3rd in World Cup. Also promotes youth. *One of the most successful managers in modern history. Plays defensive football but wins everywhere he goes. The fact that none of them have the same style or really have much in common on the pitch leads me to believe the real problem lies with what this team wants to present itself as. Does it want to be an attacking team? If it does, why hire cautious managers? Our next manager needs to be based on football style. It needs to be adventurous attacking. Needs to promote youth. Needs to be smart in the transfer market. Ideally be a winner elsewhere but the right man is more important. There are question marks over every potentially available Mourinho replacement. I'll gloss over the top 3 in my eyes. *Zidane would get the best out of Pogba, but he is used to big budgets or unbelieveable players already there. He would need time to make this squad his own. He did push some youth talents though. I don't know if he is willing to take on a project or does he want to slot right into a winning side? *Poch could probably get a good tune out of this squad right now. His reliance on wing back play could work with Shaw and Dalot, but he has a talented squad at Spurs but hasn't won anything. Does promote youth and hasn't had much of a budget in the market to work with. *Jardim managed to put great squads together considering he kept losing his most talented lads every year. Won Ligue 1 on a shoestring compared to PSG. Promotes youth. Plays attacking football and likes variations of 442. There are plenty more options, but out of these 3 at least 2 of them are attacking managers. We could do a lot worse than take a punt on Jardim. Ticks all the boxes. Poch does know the league but will be hard to convince to leave Spurs unless he has given up the cause. Will certainly cost a fortune. Allegri? Honestly I would rather hire Conte than go anywhere near Howe. Jardim? Possibly! Using the "Well we tried the ones with the big CVs so let's try something different approach". Well we tried the haven't won anything approach with Moyes and I bet there were more happy with his appointment than care to admit on here. The Glazers ideal man would be a yes man who can get top 4 every season. |
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Post by dazjoe on Dec 8, 2018 21:12:25 GMT
So Howe is on the end of another defeat against a decent team.
United can't afford to sign another manager who can't win against the big boys.He probably needs to move to a bigger club but this job is far too big for him yet. Had the owners done their homework on his record against the big teams Moyes would never have got through the door in the first place. Thinking he would be a cheaper option with Fergie pushing the appointment back fired. Since their 1st season in the Premier League: 2015-16: Chelsea 0 - 1 Bournemouth Bournemouth 2 - 1 Man United 2016 - 17: Bournemouth 4 - 3 Liverpool 2017 - 18 Bournemouth 2 - 1 Arsenal Chelsea 0 - 3 Bournemouth Not saying I want Eddie Howe to come in, but to dismiss 5 victories over top teams in the last 3 years, because they/he have lost a few as well (because, again, they're fucking Bournemouth) seems pretty short sighted. I personally would go for Jardim, he's perfectly suited to coach and develop the likes of Greenwood, Chong, and Gomes and get the team back to playing the football we want to see with young, hungry players playing it. But Howe will get a shot eventually at a decent side, or maybe the England job, and I'm pretty interested to see how he goes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 21:21:18 GMT
Allegri? Honestly I would rather hire Conte than go anywhere near Howe. Jardim? Possibly! Using the "Well we tried the ones with the big CVs so let's try something different approach". Well we tried the haven't won anything approach with Moyes and I bet there were more happy with his appointment than care to admit on here. The Glazers ideal man would be a yes man who can get top 4 every season. I like Howe but I'm not convinced he would be great here either. I was playing devils advocate when you said the other teams wouldn't hire him. I don't want to discount him as a possibility because our next hire should be on playing style first and foremost. Allegri is a great shout but why would he leave Juve? Boredom? Winning too much for his liking? Out of all seriousness, his playing style is more patient and possession based than Conte was before him. Much less pressing the opposite team. This may be a negative for him in EPL as everyone is now heavy pressing. Allegri relies more on his fantastic and experienced defence, which means they can take their time on attack or sit back and hit teams on the counter. I do think he would be a smart successor to Mourinho insofar as he's not a million miles away style wise to Mourinho. Isn't much different when it comes to formations, but just like Mourinho, he will need a stronger defence to make his style work. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 8, 2018 21:31:07 GMT
Allegri? Honestly I would rather hire Conte than go anywhere near Howe. Jardim? Possibly! Using the "Well we tried the ones with the big CVs so let's try something different approach". Well we tried the haven't won anything approach with Moyes and I bet there were more happy with his appointment than care to admit on here. The Glazers ideal man would be a yes man who can get top 4 every season. I like Howe but I'm not convinced he would be great here either. I was playing devils advocate when you said the other teams wouldn't hire him. I don't want to discount him as a possibility because our next hire should be on playing style first and foremost. Allegri is a great shout but why would he leave Juve? Boredom? Winning too much for his liking? Out of all seriousness, his playing style is more patient and possession based than Conte was before him. Much less pressing the opposite team. This may be a negative for him in EPL as everyone is now heavy pressing. Allegri relies more on his fantastic and experienced defence, which means they can take their time on attack or sit back and hit teams on the counter. I do think he would be a smart successor to Mourinho insofar as he's not a million miles away style wise to Mourinho. Isn't much different when it comes to formations, but just like Mourinho, he will need a stronger defence to make his style work. There are plenty of rumours about this possibly being his last season there. Maybe he wants a change, maybe they want a change? Maybe Ronaldo is the piece of the jigsaw for a CL? He would be a smart successor definitely and we wouldn't be having to change drastically in the way we play. Didnt Pogba work under him at Juve at all? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 21:48:52 GMT
I like Howe but I'm not convinced he would be great here either. I was playing devils advocate when you said the other teams wouldn't hire him. I don't want to discount him as a possibility because our next hire should be on playing style first and foremost. Allegri is a great shout but why would he leave Juve? Boredom? Winning too much for his liking? Out of all seriousness, his playing style is more patient and possession based than Conte was before him. Much less pressing the opposite team. This may be a negative for him in EPL as everyone is now heavy pressing. Allegri relies more on his fantastic and experienced defence, which means they can take their time on attack or sit back and hit teams on the counter. I do think he would be a smart successor to Mourinho insofar as he's not a million miles away style wise to Mourinho. Isn't much different when it comes to formations, but just like Mourinho, he will need a stronger defence to make his style work. There are plenty of rumours about this possibly being his last season there. Maybe he wants a change, maybe they want a change? Maybe Ronaldo is the piece of the jigsaw for a CL? He would be a smart successor definitely and we wouldn't be having to change drastically in the way we play. Didnt Pogba work under him at Juve at all? 2 years together I believe. Arguably his best 2. If anyone knows how to get something from him its him |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 9, 2018 7:08:37 GMT
I can see Howe managing Spurs next, can’t see any scenario in which he’s our next manger.. unless we get relegated and look for someone who could help us get back up.
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Post by Karma on Dec 9, 2018 11:54:58 GMT
I can see Howe managing Spurs next, can’t see any scenario in which he’s our next manger.. unless we get relegated and look for someone who could help us get back up. If we got relegated the Glazers would be having a yard sale. No way would they hang around. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 9, 2018 18:22:10 GMT
I’d rather Howe than Conte.
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Post by bushy1987 on Dec 9, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
Favre would be a good shout for me as well. Poch is definitely my number 1 tho
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Post by . on Dec 9, 2018 20:28:41 GMT
Just on Poch, he effectively dismissed any rumours that he was leaving Spurs, over the weekend. He really did pour cold water all over the rumours.
Also what's convinced me that he won't be going anywhere anytime time soon is Levy. He'll be hanging on to Poch tooth and nail, and even if we did get talking to Spurs he won't be entertaining it in any way whatsoever. Levy is notorious, Poch is out of reach- forget it.
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Post by Karma on Dec 9, 2018 21:21:22 GMT
Just on Poch, he effectively dismissed any rumours that he was leaving Spurs, over the weekend. He really did pour cold water all over the rumours. Also what's convinced me that he won't be going anywhere anytime time soon is Levy. He'll be hanging on to Poch tooth and nail, and even if we did get talking to Spurs he won't be entertaining it in any way whatsoever. Levy is notorious, Poch is out of reach- forget it. Conte it is then. Name Out of work Or maybe we are the club who has been in contact with Jardim? |
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