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Post by Karma on Dec 3, 2018 0:52:25 GMT
The current thread on next manager has no poll which is as much use as a chocolate teapot , so here we go. Unless we fluke a Champions league win ( stranger things have happened) DickEd will have to address this problem eventually as much as he'd rather hide and pretend it's not happening! I apologise in advance to Pizza man  if this thread doesn't meet the strict criteria he lays down for acceptability but I've had a couple of Rioja and it's late! Looks like the early favourites are Zidane and Conte. Thoughts pretty please ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 3:08:27 GMT
Boring answer but I don't want fans opinion to be taken into account. I want them to do a thorough interview & appoint the man that ticks the most boxes. Two of those boxes should be playing youth & attacking football as I believe we will eventually see the results of that.
Poch's inability to take Tottenham to another level is a concern but he was handed literally zero dollars, the only time that's happened in the PL & still has them above us so it's between him & Zidane but wouldn't say no to Howe (Bournemouth's Ferguson) but big questions there. Bielsa is a no for me. Some of the others are meh but wouldn't mind. Giggs isn't available.
I feel like some people will look for the guy who could win a trophy immediately but I think we are years off being a top club again & we need to instead look at having a 5 year plan. Therefore we need someone who will A. Be here in 5 years & B. will have a plan on how to get us back to the top in that time.
I think it's 'Ancelotti'.
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Post by RAZ on Dec 3, 2018 6:01:33 GMT
Boring answer but I don't want fans opinion to be taken into account. I want them to do a thorough interview & appoint the man that ticks the most boxes. Two of those boxes should be playing youth & attacking football as I believe we will eventually see the results of that. Poch's inability to take Tottenham to another level is a concern but he was handed literally zero dollars, the only time that's happened in the PL & still has them above us so it's between him & Zidane but wouldn't say no to Howe (Bournemouth's Ferguson) but big questions there. Bielsa is a no for me. Some of the others are meh but wouldn't mind. Giggs isn't available. I feel like some people will look for the guy who could win a trophy immediately but I think we are years off being a top club again & we need to instead look at having a 5 year plan. Therefore we need someone who will A. Be here in 5 years & B. will have a plan on how to get us back to the top in that time. I think it's 'Ancelotti'. and why exactly would fans opinion be taken into account??? what? |
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Post by redcase on Dec 3, 2018 6:48:47 GMT
Boring answer but I don't want fans opinion to be taken into account. I want them to do a thorough interview & appoint the man that ticks the most boxes. Two of those boxes should be playing youth & attacking football as I believe we will eventually see the results of that. Poch's inability to take Tottenham to another level is a concern but he was handed literally zero dollars, the only time that's happened in the PL & still has them above us so it's between him & Zidane but wouldn't say no to Howe (Bournemouth's Ferguson) but big questions there. Bielsa is a no for me. Some of the others are meh but wouldn't mind. Giggs isn't available. I feel like some people will look for the guy who could win a trophy immediately but I think we are years off being a top club again & we need to instead look at having a 5 year plan. Therefore we need someone who will A. Be here in 5 years & B. will have a plan on how to get us back to the top in that time. I think it's 'Ancelotti'. and why exactly would fans opinion be taken into account??? what? If fans opinion was taken into account we wouldn't be stuck with Woodward. |
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Post by redcase on Dec 3, 2018 6:57:36 GMT
It's not the manager who has to have the 5 year plan it's the fucking board. We are in this position precisely because our fucking board do not have a plan or even the notion of one. The first thing to do would be to hire someone who can formulate a plan. And then not interfere with his position and micro manage the guy. We appointed a scouting director with a plan, but his plan didn't exactly go along with the board's plan so he went off to bloody Russia. There is no use of hiring a manager to make a plan if the gremlins won't support it or continue to interfere with it.
This entire discussion is moot.
We all laughed at the shambles of AFTV and their protests in London, but look at what they accomplished. Gazidis gone, Wenger gone, team performing superbly in a matter of months. We need that. We need some absolute fucking riots and a hint of violence against those calling the shots. Only then will things change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 7:07:46 GMT
Boring answer but I don't want fans opinion to be taken into account. I want them to do a thorough interview & appoint the man that ticks the most boxes. Two of those boxes should be playing youth & attacking football as I believe we will eventually see the results of that. Poch's inability to take Tottenham to another level is a concern but he was handed literally zero dollars, the only time that's happened in the PL & still has them above us so it's between him & Zidane but wouldn't say no to Howe (Bournemouth's Ferguson) but big questions there. Bielsa is a no for me. Some of the others are meh but wouldn't mind. Giggs isn't available. I feel like some people will look for the guy who could win a trophy immediately but I think we are years off being a top club again & we need to instead look at having a 5 year plan. Therefore we need someone who will A. Be here in 5 years & B. will have a plan on how to get us back to the top in that time. I think it's 'Ancelotti'. and why exactly would fans opinion be taken into account??? what? I believe that Mourinho was hired because the board listened to the fans and then didn't get sacked because thr board listened to the fans who loudly agreed with Neville. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 7:10:35 GMT
It's not the manager who has to have the 5 year plan it's the fucking board. We are in this position precisely because our fucking board do not have a plan or even the notion of one. The first thing to do would be to hire someone who can formulate a plan. And then not interfere with his position and micro manage the guy. We appointed a scouting director with a plan, but his plan didn't exactly go along with the board's plan so he went off to bloody Russia. There is no use of hiring a manager to make a plan if the gremlins won't support it or continue to interfere with it. This entire discussion is moot. We all laughed at the shambles of AFTV and their protests in London, but look at what they accomplished. Gazidis gone, Wenger gone, team performing superbly in a matter of months. We need that. We need some absolute fucking riots and a hint of violence against those calling the shots. Only then will things change. Both the board and the manager would have the same 5 year plan, yeah i also doubt the board could have that kind of vision. I didn't say they would have that kind of a plan, just that they should. |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 3, 2018 7:41:59 GMT
First and foremost, I think that any solution that has Woodward still highly involved is a bad solution. The guy has wreaked havoc and should absolutely take a lot of the blame for how badly we've fallen since 2013.
I agree with the general testament that we should be looking at someone who could be here for a serious chunk of time (in today's standards anyway), but before that there must be a huge restructuring of our entire football decision-making hierarchy, to ensure that we actually have some bloody continuity and long-term plan in place for the eventual day that whoever is who manages us next leaves. I have 0 faith in the current board to hire the right person next, as more than anything they'll go for someone with marketing value rather than footballing value.
I mentioned this after we beat Juventus, squad-wise, we're 3-4 world-class players away from being very good - people are being very dramatic with their assessments of how bad we are, but in my opinion, they're just not true. A manager who plays attacking football, with past record of taking young talents and helping them flourish and with his career trajectory on the up could do a lot of good here. Jose's failure here as shown us that even if you have a huge resume it's just not enough, so I would hope that we concentrate on someone who ticks all 3 of the boxes that I mentioned - even if he still hasn't won a ton of trophies.
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Post by Karma on Dec 3, 2018 8:13:02 GMT
Boring answer but I don't want fans opinion to be taken into account. I want them to do a thorough interview & appoint the man that ticks the most boxes. Two of those boxes should be playing youth & attacking football as I believe we will eventually see the results of that. Poch's inability to take Tottenham to another level is a concern but he was handed literally zero dollars, the only time that's happened in the PL & still has them above us so it's between him & Zidane but wouldn't say no to Howe (Bournemouth's Ferguson) but big questions there. Bielsa is a no for me. Some of the others are meh but wouldn't mind. Giggs isn't available. I feel like some people will look for the guy who could win a trophy immediately but I think we are years off being a top club again & we need to instead look at having a 5 year plan. Therefore we need someone who will A. Be here in 5 years & B. will have a plan on how to get us back to the top in that time. I think it's 'Ancelotti'. Giggs is available as much as anyone else on there. There's only a few out of contract . |
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Post by imat16 on Dec 3, 2018 8:47:29 GMT
I think we need to tone down on the expectations for a quick fix and appoint Howie. Imo if he has the bravery to play that style at Bournemouth I am sure he won't be hiding when he gets the chance at a bigger club. With the players we already have in the squad and a few additions I think he will do the job if given time.
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Post by Karma on Dec 3, 2018 9:37:20 GMT
I think we need to tone down on the expectations for a quick fix and appoint Howie. Imo if he has the bravery to play that style at Bournemouth I am sure he won't be hiding when he gets the chance at a bigger club. With the players we already have in the squad and a few additions I think he will do the job if given time. You can't give anyone time in this gig. It's top 4 or bust. You have to hit the ground running immediately. The gimps won't be happy to watch some nice football at the expense of CL qualification every season. I think one of the reasons Jose is still in a job is his CV. That along with the gimps obviously getting cold sweats when having to make managerial decisions either hiring and firing. Howe has absolutely nothing to fall back on if we lose a few games and the press are circling! |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 3, 2018 9:58:25 GMT
I notice that Jardim is not an option...
Rioja and late night or another reason? At least he's actually available...
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Post by Bestie on Dec 3, 2018 10:00:25 GMT
Why is Giggs there.
Where are Nagelsmann, Tedesco, Kohfeldt, Jardim, Nuno, Gio van Bronckhorst even.
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Post by Tatty on Dec 3, 2018 10:17:56 GMT
Allegri or Howe for me. But both will need a proper football club setup to help them. Not sure either has the force of personality to do away with Woowar. Especially given Jose hasn't been able to win that battle.
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Post by Tatty on Dec 3, 2018 10:18:58 GMT
Why is Giggs there. Where are Nagelsmann, Tedesco, Kohfeldt, Jardim, Nuno, Gio van Bronckhorst even. Nagelsmann is the dream. We should just pay what it takes to get him. |
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