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Post by kstandhand on Dec 4, 2018 7:14:09 GMT
Not really surprised the British press are bigging up one of their own, some still think Moyes was hard done by. Anyone would think reading that,that Samuel had been on here looking at this thread before writing that article  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 8:01:27 GMT
Not really surprised the British press are bigging up one of their own, some still think Moyes was hard done by. Anyone would think reading that,that Samuel had been on here looking at this thread before writing that article I am Martin Samuel. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 4, 2018 8:33:41 GMT
You can't give anyone time in this gig. It's top 4 or bust. You have to hit the ground running immediately. The gimps won't be happy to watch some nice football at the expense of CL qualification every season. I think one of the reasons Jose is still in a job is his CV. That along with the gimps obviously getting cold sweats when having to make managerial decisions either hiring and firing. Howe has absolutely nothing to fall back on if we lose a few games and the press are circling! I think we need to accept that this seeking the top 4 business has actually cost us organic growth of the team and we have not managed to make a dent on the CL because our approach is too hectic on the football side. Klopp has come in and did fail to reach the CL but has gotten his team within striking distance of actually winning the thing and they are now established as a title challenger because they have built their team according to how he wants to play and everyone in the squad has bought in to the style. Howie may not have anything to fall back on other than his skill as a coach but I would rather have a manager who brings back the excitement and positivity at OT, one who can actually build teams to play to his vision and provide him with the support he needs e.g a DOF etc to give him the best chance. Hiring the best CV hasn't worked because we are looking at the past not the future, in 2014 Tottenham hired Pochettino after we hijacked their pursuit of LVG guess who is regretting now? Let's dare to dream again and look at tomorrow's men not yesterday's like we have done with Mourinho and Van Gaal. If Howie had achieved what he has achieved in Germany and Spain he'd be guaranteed of his shot at one of the big two right now. We have to rid ourselves of this thinking that we can get a magical pill out this slump, we need a major rebuild and we need to have a vision of the football we want to see on the pitch before we think of the trophies or the shirt sales. Let Woodward and the Glazers squeeze all they can out of the United brand but let's have serious football men doing what is necessary to pull us out of this rut. That's all very well but a rookie like Howe is destined to fail with the bumbling owners/board/CEO we have regardless of the other obstacles in his path. This board have yet to buy out a managers contract so they will look for a cheap option when it becomes available. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Conte or Blanc next up/whoever gets sacked in the summer. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 9:00:24 GMT
As much as I do like him, Howe is never going to get the job straight from Bournemouth. It's going to take one of the big hitters to take the risk first and for him to be in with a shout for trophies. I really hope someone does though as his football style really does tick all the boxes.
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Post by imat16 on Dec 4, 2018 10:32:30 GMT
I think we need to accept that this seeking the top 4 business has actually cost us organic growth of the team and we have not managed to make a dent on the CL because our approach is too hectic on the football side. Klopp has come in and did fail to reach the CL but has gotten his team within striking distance of actually winning the thing and they are now established as a title challenger because they have built their team according to how he wants to play and everyone in the squad has bought in to the style. Howie may not have anything to fall back on other than his skill as a coach but I would rather have a manager who brings back the excitement and positivity at OT, one who can actually build teams to play to his vision and provide him with the support he needs e.g a DOF etc to give him the best chance. Hiring the best CV hasn't worked because we are looking at the past not the future, in 2014 Tottenham hired Pochettino after we hijacked their pursuit of LVG guess who is regretting now? Let's dare to dream again and look at tomorrow's men not yesterday's like we have done with Mourinho and Van Gaal. If Howie had achieved what he has achieved in Germany and Spain he'd be guaranteed of his shot at one of the big two right now. We have to rid ourselves of this thinking that we can get a magical pill out this slump, we need a major rebuild and we need to have a vision of the football we want to see on the pitch before we think of the trophies or the shirt sales. Let Woodward and the Glazers squeeze all they can out of the United brand but let's have serious football men doing what is necessary to pull us out of this rut. That's all very well but a rookie like Howe is destined to fail with the bumbling owners/board/CEO we have regardless of the other obstacles in his path. This board have yet to buy out a managers contract so they will look for a cheap option when it becomes available. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Conte or Blanc next up/whoever gets sacked in the summer. I think its pointless to appoint a new manager under this structure because we are bound to fail. We should appoint a new manager after interrogating various aspects of the their personality, style and achievements not just looking at whether they are free and have won the CL ages ago but we lack the football nous at the upper echelons of the club to head such a chase. The board, and especially Woodward, need to accept their limitations in this regard and bring in a top DOF to at the very least advice them on the way forward. |
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Post by kstandhand on Dec 4, 2018 10:32:33 GMT
Anyone would think reading that,that Samuel had been on here looking at this thread before writing that article I am Martin Samuel. I'm Spartacus. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 4, 2018 10:41:55 GMT
Howe will replace Pochettino when he leaves Spurs for whoever. It just makes sense. The smallest of the 'big' clubs with the lowest expectations.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 4, 2018 10:43:33 GMT
Looking at the poll, I'm surprised Zidane has so few votes. And very surprised Howe is second - I wouldn't be gutted if he came in (like, say, Conte) but he's not near my top 3 choices.
Not surprised Poch is top.
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Post by Bestie on Dec 4, 2018 10:46:11 GMT
Anyone would think reading that,that Samuel had been on here looking at this thread before writing that article I am Martin Samuel. Wouldn't even be joking about that there big fella. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 4, 2018 11:35:01 GMT
That's all very well but a rookie like Howe is destined to fail with the bumbling owners/board/CEO we have regardless of the other obstacles in his path. This board have yet to buy out a managers contract so they will look for a cheap option when it becomes available. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Conte or Blanc next up/whoever gets sacked in the summer. I think its pointless to appoint a new manager under this structure because we are bound to fail. We should appoint a new manager after interrogating various aspects of the their personality, style and achievements not just looking at whether they are free and have won the CL ages ago but we lack the football nous at the upper echelons of the club to head such a chase. The board, and especially Woodward, need to accept their limitations in this regard and bring in a top DOF to at the very least advice them on the way forward. They will wake up when it starts hitting them in the pocket . |
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Post by Karma on Dec 4, 2018 11:36:14 GMT
Looking at the poll, I'm surprised Zidane has so few votes. And very surprised Howe is second - I wouldn't be gutted if he came in (like, say, Conte) but he's not near my top 3 choices. Not surprised Poch is top. I don't Ed could pull it off so I've gone for something more realistic. I wouldn't be upset if he arrived. |
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Post by mightyez on Dec 4, 2018 11:39:16 GMT
Howe will replace Pochettino when he leaves Spurs for whoever. It just makes sense. The smallest of the 'big' clubs with the lowest expectations. this makes sense but it's rather annoying. they clearly are operating with foresight and footballing vision, they want to build organically knowing it will last longer than the microwave football we are trying to serve up, our way has failed badly so far. we have thrown proven managers and money at it and it's failed. Granted we have a man at the helm that thinks he knows the game aswell as he does a noodle partner but that aside we really need to start looking properly. The next appointment should not be the obvious and regardless of who it is unless there is a separation of Mr Woodward's roles it will fail. Conte would be catastrophic, he wont stand for it and will let the press know what is happening. |
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Post by . on Dec 4, 2018 12:40:01 GMT
Why is Giggs there. Where are Nagelsmann, Tedesco, Kohfeldt, Jardim, Nuno, Gio van Bronckhorst even. Well, if Giggs wasn't on the list, the two other members on here who've voted for him would be asking why!
All valid shouts, the six others you mention. I think Karma has opened a can of worms here! 
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Post by Tatty on Dec 4, 2018 13:15:48 GMT
As much as I do like him, Howe is never going to get the job straight from Bournemouth. It's going to take one of the big hitters to take the risk first and for him to be in with a shout for trophies. I really hope someone does though as his football style really does tick all the boxes. We'll get Poch and he'll go to Spurs. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 13:27:19 GMT
As much as I do like him, Howe is never going to get the job straight from Bournemouth. It's going to take one of the big hitters to take the risk first and for him to be in with a shout for trophies. I really hope someone does though as his football style really does tick all the boxes. It's not really straight from Bournemouth, he also managed Burnley inbetween his first and second stints. Honestly don't think Howe is the right man for this either. fuck it- close the club down. |
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