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Post by ratbag on Dec 5, 2018 11:36:58 GMT
I agree with the idea of backing the manager's vision but it has to be a positive vision. The problem with Jose is its often a short term one , if he had his way martial would have gone to be replaced by perisic. He prefers the matics , fellainis ,perisics kind of players over the more attacking ones. As we can see with matic he had one good season with us and now his legs are gone. completely agree. and whatever manager we get has to have a plan and vision and Howe could be that man. if he can give us fans and the club what they want, players can get on board or they can go. Fergie took no shit of big ego and I fully respect managers that deal with it in the correct way. not like jose has. I believe Howe can do it. for me its him or Jardim as I cant see who else is suitable and available right now This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions... |
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Post by Karma on Dec 5, 2018 11:38:19 GMT
completely agree. and whatever manager we get has to have a plan and vision and Howe could be that man. if he can give us fans and the club what they want, players can get on board or they can go. Fergie took no shit of big ego and I fully respect managers that deal with it in the correct way. not like jose has. I believe Howe can do it. for me its him or Jardim as I cant see who else is suitable and available right now This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions... But Ed is making those decisions and while he is we are fucked! |
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Post by caino on Dec 5, 2018 11:43:44 GMT
completely agree. and whatever manager we get has to have a plan and vision and Howe could be that man. if he can give us fans and the club what they want, players can get on board or they can go. Fergie took no shit of big ego and I fully respect managers that deal with it in the correct way. not like jose has. I believe Howe can do it. for me its him or Jardim as I cant see who else is suitable and available right now This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions... fergie wouldn't even get the gig in this day n age, because he came from the Scottish leagues. least Howe is doing it in the PL |
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Post by caino on Dec 5, 2018 11:48:31 GMT
and... I wouldn't even say there is big egos in our club. apart from Pogba. and I think that's part of the problem. everyone is too nice
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Post by ratbag on Dec 5, 2018 12:18:47 GMT
This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions... But Ed is making those decisions and while he is we are fucked! Agreed and that is what I wrote in the last line... |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 5, 2018 12:19:56 GMT
This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions... fergie wouldn't even get the gig in this day n age, because he came from the Scottish leagues. least Howe is doing it in the PL You may be right except that he did manage to break a duopoly that as far as I know, hasn't been broken since...that is quite an achievement - and he did actually win stuff... |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 5, 2018 12:21:38 GMT
and... I wouldn't even say there is big egos in our club. apart from Pogba. and I think that's part of the problem. everyone is too nice Yeah, I was thinking bout that but there may not be huge personalities but there are definitely some egos...Fergie's great strength was knowing when to kick them in the nuts and when to put an arm around their shoulder... But if a player was disruptive, he was out... |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 5, 2018 12:24:53 GMT
completely agree. and whatever manager we get has to have a plan and vision and Howe could be that man. if he can give us fans and the club what they want, players can get on board or they can go. Fergie took no shit of big ego and I fully respect managers that deal with it in the correct way. not like jose has. I believe Howe can do it. for me its him or Jardim as I cant see who else is suitable and available right now This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions...If van Gaal and Mourinho can't wrest back control from Woodward, who can? Jose needs to set his arrogance aside, stand on his principles, and resign. Scorched earthing Woodward, Arnold and the whole Glazer-run debacle on his way out. It's the only way. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 5, 2018 12:25:57 GMT
and... I wouldn't even say there is big egos in our club. apart from Pogba. and I think that's part of the problem. everyone is too nice Sanchez is apparently very sure of his own abilities. |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 5, 2018 12:27:34 GMT
This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions...If van Gaal and Mourinho can't wrest back control from Woodward, who can? That's the point - I'm not sure Attila the Hun could do it... Maybe Fergie in his pomp? But that's all I've got...Woodward would have to be told by the Glazers or volunteer himself to relinquish control and he won't do it himself...his ego is too big... |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 5, 2018 12:28:57 GMT
This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions...If van Gaal and Mourinho can't wrest back control from Woodward, who can? Jose needs to set his arrogance aside, stand on his principles, and resign. Scorched earthing Woodward, Alexander and the whole Glazer-run debacle on his way out. It's the only way.Sadly this won't happen...unless Jose forgets about the money and...no, it won't happen... |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 5, 2018 12:42:12 GMT
If van Gaal and Mourinho can't wrest back control from Woodward, who can? That's the point - I'm not sure Attila the Hun could do it... Maybe Fergie in his pomp? But that's all I've got...Woodward would have to be told by the Glazers or volunteer himself to relinquish control and he won't do it himself...his ego is too big... Fergie had Gill. Honestly believe Gill as a buffer and as Fergie's man in the boardroom is the only thing that prevented this rot spreading sooner. If van Gaal and Mourinho can't wrest back control from Woodward, who can? Jose needs to set his arrogance aside, stand on his principles, and resign. Scorched earthing Woodward, Alexander and the whole Glazer-run debacle on his way out. It's the only way.Sadly this won't happen...unless Jose forgets about the money and...no, it won't happen... Genuinely don't think it is the money that is driving Mourinho. I think he is so stubborn and arrogant he refuses to walk because he still thinks eventually, somehow, he can prove everybody else wrong. |
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Post by _ on Dec 5, 2018 12:45:13 GMT
This part is really important...when Fergie arrived there was a powerful dressing room and a bad culture...if they would change and work with him, they stayed...if not, they were shipped out - and he did this continually throughout his career... He shipped out some big names but those he kept or brought in were trusted and they flourished...nobody bigger than the club / team... That is exactly what we need now...but he needs to make sure that Ed has no part of making those decisions...If van Gaal and Mourinho can't wrest back control from Woodward, who can? Jose needs to set his arrogance aside, stand on his principles, and resign. Scorched earthing Woodward, Arnold and the whole Glazer-run debacle on his way out. It's the only way.  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Dec 5, 2018 13:03:54 GMT
and... I wouldn't even say there is big egos in our club. apart from Pogba. and I think that's part of the problem. everyone is too nice Sanchez is apparently very sure of his own abilities. Bailly and Rashford are supposed to be part of Pogba's clique. MOTWYW |
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Post by Karma on Dec 5, 2018 13:14:07 GMT
Sanchez is apparently very sure of his own abilities. Bailly and Rashford are supposed to be part of Pogba's clique. MOTWYW Looking like world beaters one week, academy players the next? |
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