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Post by Tatty on Dec 13, 2018 9:13:47 GMT
Pereira did well when he was moved more inside.
Otherwise. MEH!
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Post by Karma on Dec 13, 2018 9:20:13 GMT
I'm struggling to understand why the two of you are arguing, as you are both right. This team could do better with a different manager - our squad, while isn't perfect and especially lacks the right characters, isn't nearly as bad as some people are saying it is. It boggles the mind that we are defending so poorly this season because we're playing with the same defenders as last season. It is even more infuriating to think about that when you realize just how bad we are going forward, hence - what the actual fuck are we doing all week in training? But, here's the thing (this is for you Karma) - Jose is the least of our problems and when he is sacked/leaves two things will be disgustingly obvious: 1. He was sacked too late due to the board's incompetence and lack of actual need to see us doing well on the football pitch (this is what happens when the board's success isn't measured by trophies but on commercial deals and revenue). 2. The person who'll follow Jose will need to rebuild this team, AGAIN, for the 3rd time in 6 years. And guess what? Unless something changes, when that guy inevitably fails, we'll need to rebuild after him as well! My point is, sacking the manager and expecting that to solve our problems is just burying your head in the sand. The real problem at the club is that the people who are actually making decisions aren't truly motivated by success on the football pitch. Until that changes, we're not going to go back to the top. I haven't seen anyone thinking we'll suddenly become a top club again because we've sacked the manager. This will be a huge rebuild, something that jose isn't capable of end of story. Well no we won't because the owners will only invest until a certain point. Pool have spent nearly 200 million to get even close to City. I can't see that level of spending under these owners and again like you said we are going to be back to the rebuilding stage again. |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 13, 2018 9:20:29 GMT
I'm struggling to understand why the two of you are arguing, as you are both right. This team could do better with a different manager - our squad, while isn't perfect and especially lacks the right characters, isn't nearly as bad as some people are saying it is. It boggles the mind that we are defending so poorly this season because we're playing with the same defenders as last season. It is even more infuriating to think about that when you realize just how bad we are going forward, hence - what the actual fuck are we doing all week in training? But, here's the thing (this is for you Karma) - Jose is the least of our problems and when he is sacked/leaves two things will be disgustingly obvious: 1. He was sacked too late due to the board's incompetence and lack of actual need to see us doing well on the football pitch (this is what happens when the board's success isn't measured by trophies but on commercial deals and revenue). 2. The person who'll follow Jose will need to rebuild this team, AGAIN, for the 3rd time in 6 years. And guess what? Unless something changes, when that guy inevitably fails, we'll need to rebuild after him as well! My point is, sacking the manager and expecting that to solve our problems is just burying your head in the sand. The real problem at the club is that the people who are actually making decisions aren't truly motivated by success on the football pitch. Until that changes, we're not going to go back to the top. I haven't seen anyone thinking we'll suddenly become a top club again because we've sacked the manager. This will be a huge rebuild, something that jose isn't capable of end of story. In my opinion, Jose was never the right person for the job, not now and not as the person to replace Fergie. Any serious club would've fired him by now to salvage this season and to allow his replacement some time to work with the squad before the winter transfer market opens. The issue here is that it's not about Jose not being capable of overseeing the rebuild, it's that the people who are making the decisions aren't capable of it. Until we have someone who's able to put in place a long-term plan for the club we're going to be stuck in this spiral of failure. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 13, 2018 9:21:25 GMT
I'm struggling to understand why the two of you are arguing, as you are both right. This team could do better with a different manager - our squad, while isn't perfect and especially lacks the right characters, isn't nearly as bad as some people are saying it is. It boggles the mind that we are defending so poorly this season because we're playing with the same defenders as last season. It is even more infuriating to think about that when you realize just how bad we are going forward, hence - what the actual fuck are we doing all week in training? But, here's the thing (this is for you Karma) - Jose is the least of our problems and when he is sacked/leaves two things will be disgustingly obvious: 1. He was sacked too late due to the board's incompetence and lack of actual need to see us doing well on the football pitch (this is what happens when the board's success isn't measured by trophies but on commercial deals and revenue). 2. The person who'll follow Jose will need to rebuild this team, AGAIN, for the 3rd time in 6 years. And guess what? Unless something changes, when that guy inevitably fails, we'll need to rebuild after him as well! My point is, sacking the manager and expecting that to solve our problems is just burying your head in the sand. The real problem at the club is that the people who are actually making decisions aren't truly motivated by success on the football pitch. Until that changes, we're not going to go back to the top. I haven't seen anyone thinking we'll suddenly become a top club again because we've sacked the manager. This will be a huge rebuild, something that jose isn't capable of end of story. Well no we won't because the owners will only invest up to a certain point. Pool have spent nearly 200 million to get even close to City. I can't see that level of spending under these owners and again like you said we are going to be back to the rebuilding stage again. We are going to need a bit of luck when the next manager is appointed. Ed probably thinks going all out for Bale next summer will get us back up there again/any other high profile past it 'name's he can brag about to the shareholders. |
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Post by On a break on Dec 13, 2018 9:23:57 GMT
Argue all you want the owners CEO and players are shit barr a couple but its the manager that always goes, when is now the question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 9:28:33 GMT
I haven't seen anyone thinking we'll suddenly become a top club again because we've sacked the manager. This will be a huge rebuild, something that jose isn't capable of end of story. Well no we won't because the owners will only invest up to a certain point. Pool have spent nearly 200 million to get even close to City. I can't see that level of spending under these owners and again like you said we are going to be back to the rebuilding stage again. We are going to need a bit of luck when the next manager is appointed. Ed probably thinks going all out for Bale next summer will get us back up there again/any other high profile past it 'name's he can brag about to the shareholders. we've literally out spwnt pool in both wages and transfers in recent seaaons. |
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Post by mightyez on Dec 13, 2018 9:46:20 GMT
Stop looking at one game. Let’s go through the squad. Best goalkeeper in the world and a good back up in Romero. Dalot, Shaw are 2 fine fullbacks that any decent coach should be turning to world class offcourse the players play their role in their developement. Lindelof and bailly are good Center backs and can become excellent. Rojo, darmian, Valencia. Young, Smalling and Jones well to be polite just aren’t good enough for what we need. Matic, Fred, Ander, pogba all players that are better than what we see. Pereira, martial, mata, Lingard, rashford, lukaku aren’t turkeys a better coach gets them in the back pages for consistent 8/10 performances. Sanchez can do one for all I care. So tell me why I should keep banging on about Ed and the glazers when Jose has enough tools and experience to get better out of those names? Do I want the glazers gone? Yes Ed gone? Hell yeah Jose? Yes and before the other goons because he is serving up trash. He more than anyone is damaging the players. Reality is if we had a pep serving up sexy football the majority who be saying Ed who? I don't know how many times I have to argue that the coaching should be better but who is 1 Allowing failing managers to see out the rest of the season ? 2 Renewing the contracts of past it/here for the money/shit players? Do something about those 2 issues and we might see some improvement in what is happening on the pitch. Ed was practically begging Van Gaal to stay in his second season. This two bob shower of shit haven't a fucking clue what to do next. Any half competent board would have moved Jose on by now but they haven't. We know how bad things get because we have been down this road twice before. I don't dispute some of what you are saying and it would seem we are saying the same thing. Your focus being the board and mine the self absorbed manager we have in place. he should be doing far better, sick and tired of watching this garbage and sick of getting stick from mates that support Chelsea and arsenal (fortunately for me no scouse mates and city mates) |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 13, 2018 9:47:09 GMT
Is it time yet for a "Let's All Laugh At United" thread? Isn't that just every match day thread? |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 13, 2018 9:48:49 GMT
Smalling too and Rojo too. I don't trust Bailly and Lindelof that much but at least they haven't been stinking the place up for years. How on earth can you put Smalling in the same category as those 2? God knows what Fergie ever saw in Jones. He had one half decent season and that was when he was deployed playing in midfield. He is utter gash. I expect he'll get a testimonial though Ed being the useless twat he is. Probably because Smalling is shite. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 13, 2018 9:51:22 GMT
I don't know how many times I have to argue that the coaching should be better but who is 1 Allowing failing managers to see out the rest of the season ? 2 Renewing the contracts of past it/here for the money/shit players? Do something about those 2 issues and we might see some improvement in what is happening on the pitch. Ed was practically begging Van Gaal to stay in his second season. This two bob shower of shit haven't a fucking clue what to do next. Any half competent board would have moved Jose on by now but they haven't. We know how bad things get because we have been down this road twice before. I don't dispute some of what you are saying and it would seem we are saying the same thing. Your focus being the board and mine the self absorbed manager we have in place. he should be doing far better, sick and tired of watching this garbage and sick of getting stick from mates that support Chelsea and arsenal (fortunately for me no scouse mates and city mates) The board are allowing this circus/shitshow to continue so ultimately they have responsibility! So it is on them! |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 13, 2018 9:51:48 GMT
Well no we won't because the owners will only invest up to a certain point. Pool have spent nearly 200 million to get even close to City. I can't see that level of spending under these owners and again like you said we are going to be back to the rebuilding stage again. We are going to need a bit of luck when the next manager is appointed. Ed probably thinks going all out for Bale next summer will get us back up there again/any other high profile past it 'name's he can brag about to the shareholders. we've literally out spwnt pool in both wages and transfers in recent seaaons. That is a false equivalence though. We were merely catching up on everything we didn't spend from 2010. And replacing the duds we did eventually sign. We haven't really spent big. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Dec 13, 2018 9:52:29 GMT
At least we're not away to a Liverpool side that are top of the table and playing much better than us this weekend...
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Post by mightyez on Dec 13, 2018 9:55:56 GMT
get in a decent manager and force a riot.
for me it's [pretty simple.
good coach in, reaches the limit with what he has, board refuse to buy quality, fans go nuts, it goes viral and then we really see what the board are about.
right now they have the stick of 'well we have decent players but Jose is doing a crap job, why give him more money'.
My annoyance is for someone as sneaky as Jose he has absolutely played into their hands, LVG did the same.
The both got money but the football was pedestrian and garbage.
when we bought Morgan it was 'Finally united are buying a proper midfielder' depay 'united are getting back to what they do best' both players didn't live up to it and I'd say coaching and team set up had a role in that.
the board will turn around and say we tried but these managers failed, I wont mention Moyes because he had no business here.
Our board are commercially driven and obsessed, no denying that. they have no footballing acumen whatsoever and have no business at this club but and the big but is the managers have to step up and start earning their gravy and if if the board are that crazy, blow the lid and walk away.
I'd walk release a statement saying 'big club by name but they just don't understand football etc etc'
These are rich guys who will get another job elsewhere but no they stay because they want a pay-out for their garbage job and we the fans suffer because like it of not they are all in the same boat just passing the paddle because no one wants to row.
MIC DROP, RANT OVER
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 9:58:24 GMT
Phil Jones.
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Post by Karma on Dec 13, 2018 9:58:43 GMT
Well no we won't because the owners will only invest up to a certain point. Pool have spent nearly 200 million to get even close to City. I can't see that level of spending under these owners and again like you said we are going to be back to the rebuilding stage again. We are going to need a bit of luck when the next manager is appointed. Ed probably thinks going all out for Bale next summer will get us back up there again/any other high profile past it 'name's he can brag about to the shareholders. we've literally out spwnt pool in both wages and transfers in recent seaaons. Not the last 2 seasons we haven't. Fabinhnio Keita Allison Shaqri Robinson Salah 75 million CB Not sure when they signed Karius! Fekir failed his medical otherwise he would have been here as well. I'm sure the net spend is helped by the 140 million pound Coutinio as well. They have had to dramatically increase their spending to get to here, regardless of whether that money has been better spent. |
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