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Post by Stew on Jul 21, 2019 13:39:39 GMT
For example Rooney scored 19 goals in 05/06 and then got 23 in 06/07. Ronaldo was the one that really took the leap, going from 12 to 23. As well as goals though there was a sense of maturity and being able to handle those huge moments in key games.
Rashford got 13 last year, Martial got 12. We need both those guys to exceed 20 next year.
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Post by bushy1987 on Jul 21, 2019 13:41:13 GMT
same with martial, both need to step up this year I’m not comparing but there are similarities to the summer of 06 and the faith Fergie had in Ronaldo and Rooney. Both showed enough flashes up to that point but they took huge leaps forward that season. You have to hope the club have seen enough to think it could be the same. They’re still kids really but the time is now. Rashford is getting to that age now we're it either all clicks or it doesn't, the goal he scored the other day shows you he has it in his locker, let's just hope he can do that over a full season |
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Post by Stew on Jul 21, 2019 13:42:20 GMT
I’m not comparing but there are similarities to the summer of 06 and the faith Fergie had in Ronaldo and Rooney. Both showed enough flashes up to that point but they took huge leaps forward that season. You have to hope the club have seen enough to think it could be the same. They’re still kids really but the time is now. Rashford is getting to that age now we're it either all clicks or it doesn't, the goal he scored the other day shows you he has it in his locker, let's just hope he can do that over a full season That Leeds goal was outstanding, a true strikers goal. We need him to do that a lot more but he has it in him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 13:42:49 GMT
same with martial, both need to step up this year I’m not comparing but there are similarities to the summer of 06 and the faith Fergie had in Ronaldo and Rooney. Both showed enough flashes up to that point but they took huge leaps forward that season. You have to hope the club have seen enough to think it could be the same. They’re still kids really but the time is now. That season was my first thought. We were absolutely written off before that season as well, everyone assumed Chelsea were set for a long period of dominance. Obviously I'm not saying we are suddenly going to become title contenders, but there is enough evidence on display that taking that leap of faith with some of these players may work to our advantage. |
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Post by RAZ on Jul 21, 2019 13:53:35 GMT
For example Rooney scored 19 goals in 05/06 and then got 23 in 06/07. Ronaldo was the one that really took the leap, going from 12 to 23. As well as goals though there was a sense of maturity and being able to handle those huge moments in key games. Rashford got 13 last year, Martial got 12. We need both those guys to exceed 20 next year. thing about rashford and martial is that they both clearly have phenomenal potential. given their respective age they should still have that factor of just running at defenders and causing havoc, pretty much with the "no shits were given" attitude from chong yesterday. i hope that ole is the right coach for them, it certainly seems and feels like he trusts them. but the pressure is on them now to deliver. 20+ goals from both would be absolutely massive |
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Post by ratbag on Jul 21, 2019 14:07:05 GMT
For example Rooney scored 19 goals in 05/06 and then got 23 in 06/07. Ronaldo was the one that really took the leap, going from 12 to 23. As well as goals though there was a sense of maturity and being able to handle those huge moments in key games. Rashford got 13 last year, Martial got 12. We need both those guys to exceed 20 next year. thing about rashford and martial is that they both clearly have phenomenal potential. given their respective age they should still have that factor of just running at defenders and causing havoc, pretty much with the "no shits were given" attitude from chong yesterday. i hope that ole is the right coach for them, it certainly seems and feels like he trusts them. but the pressure is on them now to deliver. 20+ goals from both would be absolutely massive If we can get that sort of return from them, we should easily be looking at top 4... |
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Post by RAZ on Jul 21, 2019 14:24:00 GMT
thing about rashford and martial is that they both clearly have phenomenal potential. given their respective age they should still have that factor of just running at defenders and causing havoc, pretty much with the "no shits were given" attitude from chong yesterday. i hope that ole is the right coach for them, it certainly seems and feels like he trusts them. but the pressure is on them now to deliver. 20+ goals from both would be absolutely massive If we can get that sort of return from them, we should easily be looking at top 4... absolutely and its really up to them as i'm not expecting james, lingard, sanchez or greenwood to hit those figures. |
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Post by _ on Jul 21, 2019 14:35:11 GMT
For example Rooney scored 19 goals in 05/06 and then got 23 in 06/07. Ronaldo was the one that really took the leap, going from 12 to 23. As well as goals though there was a sense of maturity and being able to handle those huge moments in key games. Rashford got 13 last year, Martial got 12. We need both those guys to exceed 20 next year. Rashford is the same age Ronniw was and around the same amount of games. He def needs to get more than 20 I would be happy with 15+ from Martial if he also improved his all round game! |
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Post by Pixel on Jul 21, 2019 14:35:35 GMT
If we can get that sort of return from them, we should easily be looking at top 4... absolutely and its really up to them as i'm not expecting james, lingard, sanchez or greenwood to hit those figures. If Greenwood is a regular starter out of all of those,.my money would be on him to get to 20 first |
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Post by _ on Jul 21, 2019 14:37:08 GMT
For example Rooney scored 19 goals in 05/06 and then got 23 in 06/07. Ronaldo was the one that really took the leap, going from 12 to 23. As well as goals though there was a sense of maturity and being able to handle those huge moments in key games. Rashford got 13 last year, Martial got 12. We need both those guys to exceed 20 next year. Also need more from MF and was hoping for that addition of someone like Fernandes, who can get forward and score goals. |
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Post by Karma on Jul 21, 2019 15:43:05 GMT
I’m not comparing but there are similarities to the summer of 06 and the faith Fergie had in Ronaldo and Rooney. Both showed enough flashes up to that point but they took huge leaps forward that season. You have to hope the club have seen enough to think it could be the same. They’re still kids really but the time is now. That season was my first thought. We were absolutely written off before that season as well, everyone assumed Chelsea were set for a long period of dominance. Obviously I'm not saying we are suddenly going to become title contenders, but there is enough evidence on display that taking that leap of faith with some of these players may work to our advantage. We had a great defence then, with Scholes in his prime. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 15:47:32 GMT
That season was my first thought. We were absolutely written off before that season as well, everyone assumed Chelsea were set for a long period of dominance. Obviously I'm not saying we are suddenly going to become title contenders, but there is enough evidence on display that taking that leap of faith with some of these players may work to our advantage. We had a great defence then, with Scholes in his prime. We did, but that team still gelled fantastically that season. The point is about giving trust to the players to make the step up. Rashford, Martial, and Lindelof really upping their game would make a huge difference alongside any new players/youngsters coming in to the team. Plus, it's looking increasingly likely that's all we've got to hope for. |
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Post by Karma on Jul 21, 2019 16:39:04 GMT
We had a great defence then, with Scholes in his prime. We did, but that team still gelled fantastically that season. The point is about giving trust to the players to make the step up. Rashford, Martial, and Lindelof really upping their game would make a huge difference alongside any new players/youngsters coming in to the team. Plus, it's looking increasingly likely that's all we've got to hope for. Fortunately we had Fergie too and with him you felt mountains could be scaled. He also didn’t have chief knob head sticking his beak in. A totally different environment than what we have now. Gill didn’t think he was a football know it all. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Jul 21, 2019 20:08:55 GMT
Is it safe to say that Greenwood possesses more of the finished product compared to Rasford at the same age? It looks like it to me.
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Post by Monty on Jul 21, 2019 20:19:04 GMT
Is it safe to say that Greenwood possesses more of the finished product compared to Rasford at the same age? It looks like it to me. Absolutely. Rasher was a great prospect, but I don't think many thought he was ready to make a dent in the first team until we were forced to play him. Even then, goals in his early games aside, it took him a little while to look as composed as Greenwood does in the first team. You could argue that he still doesn't. Greenwood looks like a natural. Like he's been playing first team football for years. |
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