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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 10:57:01 GMT
get rid of the unwanted defenders and get competition for shaw between now and the January market and the defence is sorted. Come summer sort the midfield with the likely departures of matic and Pogba. after that club can really work on the attack, it's an area I think we have enough in at present and if the other 2 areas are fine then really we should be ok. I am all for a methodical approach to rebuilding, right players in and wrong players out. get what we need and do not settle or rush into anything unless the talent is on the Ronaldo level where you just need to steam in and get it done. Top post. Unfortunately, patience is a rare commodity. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 26, 2019 12:42:15 GMT
get rid of the unwanted defenders and get competition for shaw between now and the January market and the defence is sorted. Come summer sort the midfield with the likely departures of matic and Pogba. after that club can really work on the attack, it's an area I think we have enough in at present and if the other 2 areas are fine then really we should be ok. I am all for a methodical approach to rebuilding, right players in and wrong players out. get what we need and do not settle or rush into anything unless the talent is on the Ronaldo level where you just need to steam in and get it done. Top post. Unfortunately, patience is a rare commodity. The Utd fans have been too patient if anything. 6 years of watching the club being run into the ground would have people hanging from lampposts in Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. |
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Post by juanveron on Aug 26, 2019 13:00:48 GMT
Top post. Unfortunately, patience is a rare commodity. The Utd fans have been too patient if anything. 6 years of watching the club being run into the ground would have people hanging from lampposts in Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Man.. fans any of those three clubs would've revolted if their club failed to qualify for the CL once, we're in a completely different territory at this point. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 26, 2019 13:10:07 GMT
The Utd fans have been too patient if anything. 6 years of watching the club being run into the ground would have people hanging from lampposts in Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Man.. fans any of those three clubs would've revolted if their club failed to qualify for the CL once, we're in a completely different territory at this point. Exactly. As said before, my big struggle as a fan is I still naively think of Utd as a super power. We’re not. We qualify for the Europa more frequently than the Champions League these days so that’s what we are. Never mind your Juve’s and Bayern’s, we’re competing with the Schalkes and Fenerbahces of this world. I’m slowly coming around to it, it won’t ever stop being disgraceful what’s happened to Utd but me moaning about isn’t going to do anything about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 13:14:29 GMT
Top post. Unfortunately, patience is a rare commodity. The Utd fans have been too patient if anything. 6 years of watching the club being run into the ground would have people hanging from lampposts in Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Too patient with the owners and CEO? perhaps you're right, though I don't know what we could possibly do about that. In reference to the quoted post I meant patience to see out a process that may have started in the summer. We have a new manager who needs time regardless of the failures of those before him. No chance. Third game of the season, a below par performance resulting in a shock defeat and the managers' credentials are being questioned, players are put to sale and the busiest thread on the board is that discussing the next transfer window. Well, at least we could mix it with up with the big boys when it comes to panic. |
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Post by juanveron on Aug 26, 2019 13:20:42 GMT
Man.. fans any of those three clubs would've revolted if their club failed to qualify for the CL once, we're in a completely different territory at this point. Exactly. As said before, my big struggle as a fan is I still naively think of Utd as a super power. We’re not. We qualify for the Europa more frequently than the Champions League these days so that’s what we are. Never mind your Juve’s and Bayern’s, we’re competing with the Schalkes and Fenerbahces of this world. I’m slowly coming around to it, it won’t ever stop being disgraceful what’s happened to Utd but me moaning about isn’t going to do anything about it. Our decline must be the fastest in the modern history of the game - from champions and consistently finishing in the top 3 for 25 years to finishing 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, and 6th is quite a lot to take, digest, and accept all at once. I'd like to think that just like this decline happened so quickly once Woodward was appointed CEO, so will the return to glory happen quickly once he's gone. I feel disgusted by the amount of times I've said this myself, but really, it's just unfathomable that this man still has his job and I just CAN'T understand how the media isn't all over this to apply an endless amount of pressure on the club's owners to fire him. This is such a juicy topic, there are so many United fans, and this is actual something to write about - not the typical made-up bullshit of who is going to sign where and for how much. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 26, 2019 13:35:51 GMT
The Utd fans have been too patient if anything. 6 years of watching the club being run into the ground would have people hanging from lampposts in Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Too patient with the owners and CEO? perhaps you're right, though I don't know what we could possibly do about that. In reference to the quoted post I meant patience to see out a process that may have started in the summer. We have a new manager who needs time regardless of the failures of those before him. No chance. Third game of the season, a below par performance resulting in a shock defeat and the managers' credentials are being questioned, players are put to sale and the busiest thread on the board is that discussing the next transfer window. Well, at least we could mix it with up with the big boys when it comes to panic. We could have protests inside the ground. We can boycott official club channels. There are numerous others. Bar maybe one person, who on here has called Ole’s credentials into question? I don’t care about other sites or social media, who in here? No one is being ‘put to sale’ whatever that means. The transfer window is closed so only the deadwood is going anywhere. Although Ed will probably screw that too. Third game of the season. How did last season finish with more or less the same team? Are we what, 3 wins out of 16? Convenient how you left that bit out. The transfer thread is the busiest on here for the last few seasons? Hazard a guess why? Listen, enjoy living in cloud cuckoo land. Because if you think this is a gradual rebuild by design then that’s clearly where you’re residing. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 26, 2019 13:41:18 GMT
Exactly. As said before, my big struggle as a fan is I still naively think of Utd as a super power. We’re not. We qualify for the Europa more frequently than the Champions League these days so that’s what we are. Never mind your Juve’s and Bayern’s, we’re competing with the Schalkes and Fenerbahces of this world. I’m slowly coming around to it, it won’t ever stop being disgraceful what’s happened to Utd but me moaning about isn’t going to do anything about it. Our decline must be the fastest in the modern history of the game - from champions and consistently finishing in the top 3 for 25 years to finishing 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, and 6th is quite a lot to take, digest, and accept all at once. I'd like to think that just like this decline happened so quickly once Woodward was appointed CEO, so will the return to glory happen quickly once he's gone. I feel disgusted by the amount of times I've said this myself, but really, it's just unfathomable that this man still has his job and I just CAN'T understand how the media isn't all over this to apply an endless amount of pressure on the club's owners to fire him. This is such a juicy topic, there are so many United fans, and this is actual something to write about - not the typical made-up bullshit of who is going to sign where and for how much. We spoke about it before. He was getting quite a lot of heat in the press at the start of the summer but then it just died our. Very odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 13:53:26 GMT
Anyone with any sort of knowledge of the Glazers can see their pattern.
*Do a bit of work at the start.
*Get some success and then live off it for a while.
*Use outside figureheads to deflect all negativity from them.
What they do with Tampa is beyond bizarre. That initial success, then they did put money into big name signings but they just cycle GMs and head coaches as they generally take the flak in the States. There is no real eagerness to win. They already have and now they can enjoy the fruits of that until someone causes a stink and the firings etc begin.
United still turn over so much profit they have no real worries. If we stop qualifying for the Champs or Europa on a regular basis then we won't be able to get top shirt deals, that'll be the first time they make a huge effort to change.
Truth is we will become the "draw" for the Europa league and will probably end up making more money because of it. It's kinda frightening that we will get rewarded for mediocrity.
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Post by . on Aug 26, 2019 14:38:32 GMT
Stewart and jimmyjojojunior, both great posts above^
As Stew is alluding to the only way you're really going to effect Ed and the Glazers is for the guts of 65,000 - 70,000 people to boycott home games at Old Trafford and not buy any of the merchandise, both of which aren't going to happen anytime soon.
Even if 70K walked away from games at home, the Glazers still land on their feet initially as there is plenty of 'top reds' willing to step in and go to Old Trafford.
Also, the away support need to boycott games also, which for me isn't going to happen instantly- as they're fiercely loyal and the real hardcore supporters. They're the best away support in world football quite frankly.
The online campaigns have indeed given notice of what's happening but ultimately it's pissing against the wind as far as the Glazers are concerned. They couldn't give a fiddlers fuck about hashtags and trending on Twitter.
Just as an example, there was a protest outside Old Trafford a few months back which was organised online and Mark Odgen reported that 28 United fans in total turned up. Ultimately are most United fans arsed??
It's incredibly hard to motivate yourself to do these things when complete apathy reigns but Stew is 100% correct- if it was any other perceived top club with their CEO making a dogs dinner of transfer windows over a 6 year period, etc..there would be fucking murder. Especially with fans of top European teams.
It's not having a dig at United fans here but at the end of the day we're pretty passive because the Groundhog Day tactics that Ed and the Glazers are employing are enough to suck the life out of any United fan.
The hierarchy are there saying 'lets pull the wool over the fans eyes in the transfer window, we'll get a bit of dissent online from them and we'll fob them off, then that's it.'
Sadly the cunts in power are probably right.
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Post by JamBritRed on Aug 26, 2019 14:40:30 GMT
chicken and egg scenario. if the PL window stays open, the prices remain high because of the PL Tax. the minute the PL window closes, the prices drop because the PL tax can no longer be levied. we are fucked either way Maybe one of the top 3 wealthiest football teams in the world could you know, spend some money? Just a thought. this is just too advanced in thinking for DickEd. nope, never gonna happen. especially when he's busy getting the club to "do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of." |
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Post by JamBritRed on Aug 26, 2019 15:00:58 GMT
Stewart and jimmyjojojunior, both great posts above^ As Stew is alluding to the only way you're really going to effect Ed and the Glazers is for the guts of 65,000 - 70,000 people to boycott home games at Old Trafford and not buy any of the merchandise, both of which aren't going to happen anytime soon. Even if 70K walked away from games at home, the Glazers still land on their feet initially as there is plenty of 'top reds' willing to step in and go to Old Trafford. Also, the away support need to boycott games also, which for me isn't going to happen instantly- as they're fiercely loyal and the real hardcore supporters. They're the best away support in world football quite frankly. The online campaigns have indeed given notice of what's happening but ultimately it's pissing against the wind as far as the Glazers are concerned. They couldn't give a fiddlers fuck about hashtags and trending on Twitter. Just as an example, there was a protest outside Old Trafford a few months back which was organised online and Mark Odgen reported that 28 United fans in total turned up. Ultimately are most United fans arsed?? It's incredibly hard to motivate yourself to do these things when complete apathy reigns but Stew is 100% correct- if it was any other perceived top club with their CEO making a dogs dinner of transfer windows over a 6 year period, etc..there would be fucking murder. Especially with fans of top European teams. It's not having a dig at United fans here but at the end of the day we're pretty passive because the Groundhog Day tactics that Ed and the Glazers are employing are enough to suck the life out of any United fan.The hierarchy are there saying 'lets pull the wool over the fans eyes in the transfer window, we'll get a bit of dissent online from them and we'll fob them off, then that's it.' Sadly the cunts in power are probably right. i've seen it mentioned on here and in other places, the truly militant members of the United support who were close enough in proximity to actually do something publicly disassociated themselves from the club back when the Glaziers initially came in. that isnt to say there aren't pockets here and there, but for the most part the lion's share of active, protest inclined support moved on when they saw the writing on the wall back then. I have no doubts that MUFC is still in their hearts, but i doubt they'd come back to start another protest movement especially considering how the last one turned out in the context of change within the club. |
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Post by gdmm on Aug 26, 2019 15:50:02 GMT
Exactly. As said before, my big struggle as a fan is I still naively think of Utd as a super power. We’re not. We qualify for the Europa more frequently than the Champions League these days so that’s what we are. Never mind your Juve’s and Bayern’s, we’re competing with the Schalkes and Fenerbahces of this world. I’m slowly coming around to it, it won’t ever stop being disgraceful what’s happened to Utd but me moaning about isn’t going to do anything about it. Our decline must be the fastest in the modern history of the game - from champions and consistently finishing in the top 3 for 25 years to finishing 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, and 6th is quite a lot to take, digest, and accept all at once. I'd like to think that just like this decline happened so quickly once Woodward was appointed CEO, so will the return to glory happen quickly once he's gone. I feel disgusted by the amount of times I've said this myself, but really, it's just unfathomable that this man still has his job and I just CAN'T understand how the media isn't all over this to apply an endless amount of pressure on the club's owners to fire him. This is such a juicy topic, there are so many United fans, and this is actual something to write about - not the typical made-up bullshit of who is going to sign where and for how much. You are assessing Woodward on football, not commercial success. As long as the cash cow keeps yielding, he will be here to stay. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Aug 26, 2019 15:56:29 GMT
Our decline must be the fastest in the modern history of the game - from champions and consistently finishing in the top 3 for 25 years to finishing 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, and 6th is quite a lot to take, digest, and accept all at once. I'd like to think that just like this decline happened so quickly once Woodward was appointed CEO, so will the return to glory happen quickly once he's gone. I feel disgusted by the amount of times I've said this myself, but really, it's just unfathomable that this man still has his job and I just CAN'T understand how the media isn't all over this to apply an endless amount of pressure on the club's owners to fire him. This is such a juicy topic, there are so many United fans, and this is actual something to write about - not the typical made-up bullshit of who is going to sign where and for how much. You are assessing Woodward on football, not commercial success. As long as the cash cow keeps yielding, he will be here to stay. which is why we need to make the brand toxic for potential sponsors by bombarding the current ones with shit. be it in person, on call in shows or online, any brand associated with the current ownership group and their cronies should feel the heat. |
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Post by . on Aug 26, 2019 20:48:43 GMT
From Football 365:
Seven years for Man Utd to become a force again?
Judging by the reception to things since basically the 1-1 draw with wolves, which was then taken to another level after the 2-1 defeat against Crystal Palace. Manchester United fans are not in general a happy bunch, although I do support the club, I’m one of the bunch (of which I imagine there aren’t many) that are let’s say, a tad more realistic about where the club sit and in general how things are going.
Here are two teams, 1st one is the very 1st line-up Alex Ferguson picked for a league game, the 2nd one is the team that beat Blackburn 3-1 the night the 25 year wait was over and the 1st premier league trophy was presented, to say they are chalk and chees is an understatement.
08-11-1986: Chris Turner, Mike Duxbury, Arthur Albiston, Kevin Moran, Paul McGrath, Graeme Hogg, Clayton Blackmore, Remi Moses, Frank Stapleton, Peter Davenport, Peter Barnes
03-05-1993: Peter Schmeichel, Denis Irwin, Paul Parker, Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Paul Ince, Lee Sharpe, Ryan Giggs, Brian McClair, Mark Hughes, Eric Cantona
Not one player in that 1st line up was even at the club by the time the second one was picking up the Premier league trophy, that took 7 years, SEVEN! Seven years to build a team to win the league. Fans forget that because the thing took off from there and Utd competed for everything all the time for the next 20 years (winning quite a lot too), now some may say that its been 6 years since Fergie left, we’ve had changes to the playing staff, we should be doing better etc. while I agree its been 6 years its also been 4 permanent and 2 interim managers (Solskjaer gets in twice) which is ridiculous nonsense.
Solskjaer is at the start of his first full season and has had one transfer window. Let’s look at 2 best teams in the country Man City and Liverpool, Pep, beginning his 4th season, has had 7 transfer windows, a club and board with direction and football people in the right areas, Klopp? He’s been at Liverpool for almost 4 full seasons’ already (started in October 2015), heck, Poch is going into his 6th full season now, to think that Solskjaer can get the club back to top 4 and then onwards in 1 transfer window is madness.
Should Utd be beating Crystal Palace at home? All due respect, yes I believe they should, do I expect Utd to beat Crystal Palace? Heck no! and that were expectation gets the better of fans, Utd will be a rollercoaster of results and performances, probably for the whole season, it’ll be entertaining and frustrating, exhilarating and annoying but it wont be boring , seen as that was the bone of contention under Jose, you’d imagine people would be happy with the progress
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