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Post by . on Aug 26, 2019 22:25:58 GMT
It would be interesting to read what the pundits were saying about Fergie's first 6 years in charge, if they were on his back the whole time or if any of them could tell he was a brilliant manager just with the wrong players. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 23:37:07 GMT
From Football 365: Seven years for Man Utd to become a force again? Judging by the reception to things since basically the 1-1 draw with wolves, which was then taken to another level after the 2-1 defeat against Crystal Palace. Manchester United fans are not in general a happy bunch, although I do support the club, I’m one of the bunch (of which I imagine there aren’t many) that are let’s say, a tad more realistic about where the club sit and in general how things are going. Here are two teams, 1st one is the very 1st line-up Alex Ferguson picked for a league game, the 2nd one is the team that beat Blackburn 3-1 the night the 25 year wait was over and the 1st premier league trophy was presented, to say they are chalk and chees is an understatement. 08-11-1986: Chris Turner, Mike Duxbury, Arthur Albiston, Kevin Moran, Paul McGrath, Graeme Hogg, Clayton Blackmore, Remi Moses, Frank Stapleton, Peter Davenport, Peter Barnes 03-05-1993: Peter Schmeichel, Denis Irwin, Paul Parker, Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Paul Ince, Lee Sharpe, Ryan Giggs, Brian McClair, Mark Hughes, Eric Cantona Not one player in that 1st line up was even at the club by the time the second one was picking up the Premier league trophy, that took 7 years, SEVEN! Seven years to build a team to win the league. Fans forget that because the thing took off from there and Utd competed for everything all the time for the next 20 years (winning quite a lot too), now some may say that its been 6 years since Fergie left, we’ve had changes to the playing staff, we should be doing better etc. while I agree its been 6 years its also been 4 permanent and 2 interim managers (Solskjaer gets in twice) which is ridiculous nonsense. Solskjaer is at the start of his first full season and has had one transfer window. Let’s look at 2 best teams in the country Man City and Liverpool, Pep, beginning his 4th season, has had 7 transfer windows, a club and board with direction and football people in the right areas, Klopp? He’s been at Liverpool for almost 4 full seasons’ already (started in October 2015), heck, Poch is going into his 6th full season now, to think that Solskjaer can get the club back to top 4 and then onwards in 1 transfer window is madness. Should Utd be beating Crystal Palace at home? All due respect, yes I believe they should, do I expect Utd to beat Crystal Palace? Heck no! and that were expectation gets the better of fans, Utd will be a rollercoaster of results and performances, probably for the whole season, it’ll be entertaining and frustrating, exhilarating and annoying but it wont be boring , seen as that was the bone of contention under Jose, you’d imagine people would be happy with the progress The first few seasons after SAF everyone argued correctly that we must be challenging because we are one of the biggest in the world etc. The situation now is much more similar to when SAF took over. Ole has shown desire to play the youth, play attacking, exciting football. The players like him. Keep it going. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 5:49:16 GMT
Too patient with the owners and CEO? perhaps you're right, though I don't know what we could possibly do about that. In reference to the quoted post I meant patience to see out a process that may have started in the summer. We have a new manager who needs time regardless of the failures of those before him. No chance. Third game of the season, a below par performance resulting in a shock defeat and the managers' credentials are being questioned, players are put to sale and the busiest thread on the board is that discussing the next transfer window. Well, at least we could mix it with up with the big boys when it comes to panic. We could have protests inside the ground. We can boycott official club channels. There are numerous others. Bar maybe one person, who on here has called Ole’s credentials into question? I don’t care about other sites or social media, who in here? No one is being ‘put to sale’ whatever that means. The transfer window is closed so only the deadwood is going anywhere. Although Ed will probably screw that too. Third game of the season. How did last season finish with more or less the same team? Are we what, 3 wins out of 16? Convenient how you left that bit out. The transfer thread is the busiest on here for the last few seasons? Hazard a guess why? Listen, enjoy living in cloud cuckoo land. Because if you think this is a gradual rebuild by design then that’s clearly where you’re residing. This makes no sense. In the first sentence "we" is the general United support while in the second you "don't care" about the reaction outside RoM to Saturday's defeat. "We" "on here" have fuck all to do about the current situation at the club. What we can do "on here" is be consistent and leave the death wishes to the Woodward/Glazers dedicated threads, like others were advised to do earlier in the summer. I was under the impression that towards the end of last season there were quite a few "on here" that reacted to the turmoil on and off the pitch by expressing support for a gradual healthy rebuild, even if the next 1-2 seasons were going to be transitional. It's quite damning that some of the same people lose their shit following the very first setback. I'll happily take the personal jibe if in your world it's either EA sports or cuckoo land. In the meantime I'll enjoy the company on that other side. Manchester United must be patient in transitional period, says Gary Neville www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11794596/manchester-united-must-be-patient-in-transitional-period-says-gary-neville |
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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2019 6:12:35 GMT
We could have protests inside the ground. We can boycott official club channels. There are numerous others. Bar maybe one person, who on here has called Ole’s credentials into question? I don’t care about other sites or social media, who in here? No one is being ‘put to sale’ whatever that means. The transfer window is closed so only the deadwood is going anywhere. Although Ed will probably screw that too. Third game of the season. How did last season finish with more or less the same team? Are we what, 3 wins out of 16? Convenient how you left that bit out. The transfer thread is the busiest on here for the last few seasons? Hazard a guess why? Listen, enjoy living in cloud cuckoo land. Because if you think this is a gradual rebuild by design then that’s clearly where you’re residing. This makes no sense. In the first sentence "we" in the general United support while in the second you "don't care" about the reaction outside RoM to Saturday's defeat. "We" "on here" have fuck all to do about the current situation at the club. What we can do "on here" is be consistent and leave the death wishes to the Woodward/Glazers dedicated threads, like others were advised to do earlier in the summer.
I was under the impression that towards the end of last season there were quite a few "on here" that reacted to the turmoil on and off the pitch by expressing support for a gradual healthy rebuild, even if the next 1-2 seasons were going to be transitional. It's quite damning that some of the same people lose their shit following the very first setback.I'll happily take the personal jibe if in your world it's either EA sports or cuckoo land. In the meantime I'll enjoy the company on that other side. Manchester United must be patient in transitional period, says Gary Neville www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11794596/manchester-united-must-be-patient-in-transitional-period-says-gary-nevilleWho? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 6:37:51 GMT
This makes no sense. In the first sentence "we" in the general United support while in the second you "don't care" about the reaction outside RoM to Saturday's defeat. "We" "on here" have fuck all to do about the current situation at the club. What we can do "on here" is be consistent and leave the death wishes to the Woodward/Glazers dedicated threads, like others were advised to do earlier in the summer.
I was under the impression that towards the end of last season there were quite a few "on here" that reacted to the turmoil on and off the pitch by expressing support for a gradual healthy rebuild, even if the next 1-2 seasons were going to be transitional. It's quite damning that some of the same people lose their shit following the very first setback.I'll happily take the personal jibe if in your world it's either EA sports or cuckoo land. In the meantime I'll enjoy the company on that other side. Manchester United must be patient in transitional period, says Gary Neville www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11794596/manchester-united-must-be-patient-in-transitional-period-says-gary-nevilleWho? As the bolded paragraph suggests I'm referring to general sentiments rather than to individuals |
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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2019 7:00:26 GMT
As the bolded paragraph suggests I'm referring to general sentiments rather than to individuals It suggests nothing of the sort. You said- ‘I was under the impression that towards the end of last season there were quite a few "on here" that reacted to the turmoil on and off the pitch by expressing support for a gradual healthy rebuild....It's quite damning that some of the same people lose their shit following the very first setback’ Who are ‘some of the same people’ that you are saying have lost their shit after the first setback? Name them, otherwise stop making sweeping generalizations to suit your narrative. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 7:20:01 GMT
As the bolded paragraph suggests I'm referring to general sentiments rather than to individuals It suggests nothing of the sort. You said- ‘I was under the impression that towards the end of last season there were quite a few "on here" that reacted to the turmoil on and off the pitch by expressing support for a gradual healthy rebuild....It's quite damning that some of the same people lose their shit following the very first setback’ Who are ‘some of the same people’ that you are saying have lost their shit after the first setback? Name them, otherwise stop making sweeping generalizations to suit your narrative. There are no narratives, and typically I avoid naming names or aiming cheap jibes at people. People are entitled to an opinion, and even to be proven wrong, without having fingers pointed at them. I'll try to be clearer. There was a general consensus on here that there was no quick fix to the shit we found ourselves in towards the end of last season. There was also a collective RoM knee jerk reaction to the Palace defeat. Without having to browse the forum's history, this suggest that at least some people have lost patience a tad too early. I don't know who they are, and frankly I don't care because this was not suppose to be an insult. We don't insult people in cuckoo land. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2019 7:33:10 GMT
It suggests nothing of the sort. You said- ‘I was under the impression that towards the end of last season there were quite a few "on here" that reacted to the turmoil on and off the pitch by expressing support for a gradual healthy rebuild....It's quite damning that some of the same people lose their shit following the very first setback’ Who are ‘some of the same people’ that you are saying have lost their shit after the first setback? Name them, otherwise stop making sweeping generalizations to suit your narrative. There are no narratives, and typically I avoid naming names or aiming cheap jibes at people. People are entitled to an opinion, and even to be proven wrong, without having fingers pointed at them. I'll try to be clearer. There was a general consensus on here that there was no quick fix to the shit we found ourselves in towards the end of last season. There was also a collective RoM knee jerk reaction to the Palace defeat. Without having to browse the forum's history, this suggest that at least some people have lost patience a tad too early. I don't know who they are, and frankly I don't care because this was not suppose to be an insult. We don't insult people in cuckoo land. I think I’m going to take SET’s advice. See ya later. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 27, 2019 10:37:54 GMT
There’s an article on Sky where Gary Neville has preached “patience” and that we’ll need 4 or 5 transfer windows to catch up to city and the dippers. The way we’ve been operating I think that is overly optimistic. I mean I get where he’s coming from to a certain extent but I have a feeling he won’t be as harsh on the team and the club because of Ole.
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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2019 11:03:31 GMT
There’s an article on Sky where Gary Neville has preached “patience” and that we’ll need 4 or 5 transfer windows to catch up to city and the dippers. The way we’ve been operating I think that is overly optimistic. I mean I get where he’s coming from to a certain extent but I have a feeling he won’t be as harsh on the team and the club because of Ole. He should tell that to Atletico Madrid. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Aug 27, 2019 11:12:54 GMT
If the club was allowed to do what needs to be done it could probably be done in 2/3 windows.
We only need patience cos of the owners. And that's because they look like they are here for a while longer yet.
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Post by Stew on Aug 27, 2019 11:27:21 GMT
If the club was allowed to do what needs to be done it could probably be done in 2/3 windows. We only need patience cos of the owners. And that's because they look like they are here for a while longer yet. Precisely. If we wanted to next summer (presuming naively we get 4th) we could sign Sancho, Fernandes and Maddison. That’s pretty much all our problems solved in one go, barring a major player leaving. The issue is that’s going to cost 250 million. Real, City, Barca would all pull the trigger. We won’t though. |
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Post by . on Aug 27, 2019 12:31:15 GMT
Don’t forget it takes two months for our CEO to decide whether or not he’ll pay a five million difference in a transfer fee for a player.
You couldn’t make it up.
What Neville is saying is rubbish. By the time we’ve supposedly got our shit together, the Scousers, Bertie’s and Europe’s elite clubs will be gone over the horizon, if they aren’t already.
He’s effectively suggesting that you need ‘X’ amount of transfer windows to sort things out. You don’t if you operate like a properly run top club.
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Post by . on Aug 27, 2019 14:26:45 GMT
Don’t forget it takes two months for our CEO to decide whether or not he’ll pay a five million difference in a transfer fee for a player. You couldn’t make it up. What Neville is saying is rubbish. By the time we’ve supposedly got our shit together, the Scousers, Bertie’s and Europe’s elite clubs will be gone over the horizon, if they aren’t already. He’s effectively suggesting that you need ‘X’ amount of transfer windows to sort things out. You don’t if you operate like a properly run top club. And at the end of the 4th transfer window players like Matic, Mata, Young, Smalling, Darmian, et al., will surely be done as players. So 4 windows we have to buy not only those 3 or 4 key players Stewart mentioned but also the 4 or 5 other players that fill out the squad unless the idea is all academy graduates. There won’t magically be a window where we only need an outlay of 100M pounds to solve our issues and compete again; every window will have a 250/300M hole in it, and arguably the good players we targeted earlier will be even more expensive by the time they make it through Ed’s vetting system. So yeah, Gaz is full of it. |
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Post by . on Aug 27, 2019 15:06:59 GMT
Don’t forget it takes two months for our CEO to decide whether or not he’ll pay a five million difference in a transfer fee for a player. You couldn’t make it up. What Neville is saying is rubbish. By the time we’ve supposedly got our shit together, the Scousers, Bertie’s and Europe’s elite clubs will be gone over the horizon, if they aren’t already. He’s effectively suggesting that you need ‘X’ amount of transfer windows to sort things out. You don’t if you operate like a properly run top club. And at the end of the 4th transfer window players like Matic, Mata, Young, Smalling, Darmian, et al., will surely be done as players. So 4 windows we have to buy not only those 3 or 4 key players Stewart mentioned but also the 4 or 5 other players that fill out the squad unless the idea is all academy graduates. There won’t magically be a window where we only need an outlay of 100M pounds to solve our issues and compete again; every window will have a 250/300M hole in it, and arguably the good players we targeted earlier will be even more expensive by the time they make it through Ed’s vetting system. So yeah, Gaz is full of it. You're slightly missing the point I'm trying to get at.
If we didn't have the gimps in charge in the first place, we'd be able to be operate much better in the market like a proper elite club- with better clued in owners.
Apologies, I didn't really make that clear in my post.
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