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Post by Stew on Oct 21, 2019 11:07:15 GMT
Easy to do when you attempt less passes than everyone in the team bar the 2 forwards. Also had less touches of the ball than most of the team as well.
The notion that everyone has made an opinion on him and stuck is nonsense. Everyone was calling for him to start a couple of months ago. I just think he's been underwhelming. He still gets in the team for me because he provides some energy and is better than Matic but what he's shown so far is nowhere near enough, loses possession too easily, doesn't effect the game at all and for the most part his passing is shit, just cos he successfully completes a load of 5 foot backwards passes means shit. Might as well get LVG back if that's what we're looking for in United midfielders.
When your playing against the liverpool press then playing the safe pass and being smart in possession is what you’d want your midfielders to do. He’s getting playing time because our options our lacking but yesterday was one of his better games for us. Giving him a run of games is exactly what we should be doing in a year like this. Exactly. He’s a better option than Matic and will hopefully improve. He’s taken way longer to settle than we’d hoped but he could do a Fernandinho. At least he’s showing stomach for the fight, unlike say Kleberson. And if he isn’t up to scratch by the end of the season them at least there won’t be any what ifs, you gave him a shot and he didn’t take it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 11:56:53 GMT
Easy to do when you attempt less passes than everyone in the team bar the 2 forwards. Also had less touches of the ball than most of the team as well.
The notion that everyone has made an opinion on him and stuck is nonsense. Everyone was calling for him to start a couple of months ago. I just think he's been underwhelming. He still gets in the team for me because he provides some energy and is better than Matic but what he's shown so far is nowhere near enough, loses possession too easily, doesn't effect the game at all and for the most part his passing is shit, just cos he successfully completes a load of 5 foot backwards passes means shit. Might as well get LVG back if that's what we're looking for in United midfielders.
It isn’t nonsense. Not everyone was calling for him to start. And where did I once say ‘everyone has an opinion on him and stuck’ exactly? I said ‘a couple of people have decided Fred is shit’ If you’re going to try to argue the point don’t speak in absolutes. You also said "People make decisions and stick to it, sometimes regardless of the evidence." No indication of how many people just people in general that is the part I'm saying is nonsense as it insinuates that the people who don't rate him fall into that category. |
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Post by SoccerFan1 on Oct 21, 2019 11:59:31 GMT
Thought we'd get smoked, so... With the tactical approach and player effort, I thought this was a great success.
I get the importance of the club not being happy with a draw at home but as fans who see the state of the club (not mention a Liverpool team who is overwhelmingly better), how can you be upset with that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:00:54 GMT
I've also said he should be playing for us at the minute because of the options we have. Main point is he's got some massive improvements to make before the end of the season to convince me he's good enough.
Also, he absolutely wasn't good in possession, those passing stats don't tell you how much and how easily he lost the ball on more than 1 occasion.
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Post by redcase on Oct 21, 2019 12:01:29 GMT
I really think Keane has a point re Kane. We legitimately can get him next season. His course in that club is run and I think he knows it. He could be the perfect type of striker for us.
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Post by Stew on Oct 21, 2019 12:02:15 GMT
It isn’t nonsense. Not everyone was calling for him to start. And where did I once say ‘everyone has an opinion on him and stuck’ exactly? I said ‘a couple of people have decided Fred is shit’ If you’re going to try to argue the point don’t speak in absolutes. You also said "People make decisions and stick to it, sometimes regardless of the evidence." No indication of how many people just people in general that is the part I'm saying is nonsense as it insinuates that the people who don't rate him fall into that category. I would have thought the part where I qualified it by saying ‘a couple of people’ made it abundantly clear but obviously not. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 21, 2019 12:05:15 GMT
I've also said he should be playing for us at the minute because of the options we have. Main point is he's got some massive improvements to make before the end of the season to convince me he's good enough. Also, he absolutely wasn't good in possession, those passing stats don't tell you how much and how easily he lost the ball on more than 1 occasion. Once according to whoscored.com |
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Post by . on Oct 21, 2019 12:08:47 GMT
A good performance against a very good side, that looked like they were frightened for the most part. They put up a good fight, but the least you would expect at home to them from any United side
Young was good yesterday, because that system suited him and we defended well for the most part, considering we had only 32% possession, which is the lowest at OT for a game since 2003. Lindelof is a worry for me especially in the air
Another good performance from James and decent from Rashford..
I just don't see how this is anything other than a worse version of what Mourinho was doing especially the first two years, despite some injuries, but a better defence! We don't create and we score the odd goal on the break and the other team get so much possession, we concede late again! Despite what Ole said, we were not set up to attack. We were set up to defend and counter hence the 32% odd possession. The first half we pressed higher with the full backs advanced and the second we defended deeper.
We are doing somewhat better against the bigger teams or more on form teams at home mostly, as they attack us and we break. Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal, Livepool, so it will be interesting to see how we do in the next 6/7 games against most bottom 10/6 clubs and the Europa, because really this style and tactics are bottom six style, who will also defend and look to play on the break.
Will the likes of Fred, Pereira, Martial etc be up for it against teams like Norwich, Partisan, Bournemouth, Brighton, Sheffield United etc away or will we be set up to dominate and break down these teams. We need a run of wins now in this period, because it gets tough again in December and January..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:09:37 GMT
I've also said he should be playing for us at the minute because of the options we have. Main point is he's got some massive improvements to make before the end of the season to convince me he's good enough. Also, he absolutely wasn't good in possession, those passing stats don't tell you how much and how easily he lost the ball on more than 1 occasion. Once according to whoscored.com Well if we're going off whoscored he also lost the ball 3 times because of bad control which was the joint 2nd most in the team... Behind James and level with Pereira who both had different impacts in other areas of the team. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 21, 2019 12:11:09 GMT
I think each game is about roles. Footballers have different roles to play and for me Fred's last night was to disrupt play and break their rhythm. He did that with gusto. There always is a need for this type of player in the team who enjoys doing this. Even if he lost the ball, I don't mind because he played his role well.
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Post by . on Oct 21, 2019 12:24:06 GMT
Once according to whoscored.com Well if we're going off whoscored he also lost the ball 3 times because of bad control which was the joint 2nd most in the team... Behind James and level with Pereira who both had different impacts in other areas of the team. It's also the positioning and work off the ball of these mids that is poor a lot of the time. You don't see any stats for that, but it's huge part of their game. I thought the midfield did ok yesterday, especially McT. The dippers do not have a great midfield anyway and in the first half we occupied and confused their full backs |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:26:06 GMT
I think each game is about roles. Footballers have different roles to play and for me Fred's last night was to disrupt play and break their rhythm. He did that with gusto. There always is a need for this type of player in the team who enjoys doing this. Even if he lost the ball, I don't mind because he played his role well. As I said yesterday, it's all about opinions and always interesting when a player polarises opinion like Fred seemed to yesterday with his performance. Seems like a few on either side.
I just didn't see anything great, just an average player putting a shift in. Kind of performance you could get out of any average premier league midfielder. He gets in because options are light and he's at least a better option than Matic but that's all I have right now.
Think he has better in him as I said at the start of the season but he has to find it and find it quickly. I'm not someone to blindly stick to an opinion on a player so if he does start to put in what I perceive as better displays then I've no problem holding my hands up. I call each game and performance as I see it.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Oct 21, 2019 12:26:13 GMT
I think each game is about roles. Footballers have different roles to play and for me Fred's last night was to disrupt play and break their rhythm. He did that with gusto. There always is a need for this type of player in the team who enjoys doing this. Even if he lost the ball, I don't mind because he played his role well. I agree about roles but not Fred. He was surely brought in to make penetrating attacking passes, no? Anything he does about breaking rhythm etc. McTominay can do better. And whilst it’s good to see Fred doing it, I don’t think it is his primary role most games (though perhaps it was for this specific one). He’s got to offer so much more on the ball IMO. |
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Post by . on Oct 21, 2019 12:28:25 GMT
I think each game is about roles. Footballers have different roles to play and for me Fred's last night was to disrupt play and break their rhythm. He did that with gusto. There always is a need for this type of player in the team who enjoys doing this. Even if he lost the ball, I don't mind because he played his role well. That isn't the type of footballer Fred is and the football he enjoys as you say. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:29:24 GMT
I think each game is about roles. Footballers have different roles to play and for me Fred's last night was to disrupt play and break their rhythm. He did that with gusto. There always is a need for this type of player in the team who enjoys doing this. Even if he lost the ball, I don't mind because he played his role well. I agree about roles but not Fred. He was surely brought in to make penetrating attacking passes, no? Anything he does about breaking rhythm etc. McTominay can do better. And whilst it’s good to see Fred doing it, I don’t think it is his primary role most games (though perhaps it was for this specific one). He’s got to offer so much more on the ball IMO. Yeah I agree, I'm not sure his ultimate role is breaking up play and keeping it safe, I thought he was more forward thinking than that. I think the reason he has reverted to this type of role is that he can't do it in this country, he's certainly ponderous in possession at times, or he has simply lost the confidence to try and affect the game further up the pitch. |
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