|
|
Post by Karma on Nov 4, 2019 9:36:11 GMT
I'm all for allowing a manager to gut and rebuild the squad, but the manager who does has to be world-class and one that can get the best of players. Not a single person here can honestly tell me that if Klopp or Pep had the squad Ole has, they wouldn't be getting more out of it. Rogers would. I reckon the managers of Sheffield U, Villa, Wolves even Lampard would. This team isn’t as bad as it’s being made to look. |
|
.
United School Boy
Posts: 0
|
Post by . on Nov 4, 2019 10:36:49 GMT
I'm all for allowing a manager to gut and rebuild the squad, but the manager who does has to be world-class and one that can get the best of players. Not a single person here can honestly tell me that if Klopp or Pep had the squad Ole has, they wouldn't be getting more out of it. Rogers would. I reckon the managers of Sheffield U, Villa, Wolves even Lampard would. This team isn’t as bad as it’s being made to look. mmmm |
|
.
United School Boy
Posts: 0
|
Post by . on Nov 4, 2019 10:42:56 GMT
I'm all for allowing a manager to gut and rebuild the squad, but the manager who does has to be world-class and one that can get the best of players. Not a single person here can honestly tell me that if Klopp or Pep had the squad Ole has, they wouldn't be getting more out of it. Rogers would. I reckon the managers of Sheffield U, Villa, Wolves even Lampard would. This team isn’t as bad as it’s being made to look. It's being made to look mid table. Which it is The one think I have noticed though is the poor movement of the players up front ( as well as the lack of creative passers in mf) The movement is terrible. We do not have one striker with any nous and it doesn't seem like they are being coached either. It's all a bit shit version of Leicester 4 years ago |
|
|
|
Post by Karma on Nov 4, 2019 10:50:27 GMT
Rogers would. I reckon the managers of Sheffield U, Villa, Wolves even Lampard would. This team isn’t as bad as it’s being made to look. It's being made to look mid table. Which it is The one think I have noticed though is the poor movement of the players up front ( as well as the lack of creative passers in mf) The movement is terrible. We do not have one striker with any nous and it doesn't seem like they are being coached either. It's all a bit shit version of Leicester 4 years ago We’re 5 points off the relegation zone. I think we look worse than mid table. When Jose was sacked it was 12. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 10:54:06 GMT
Problem is he’s not really in a position where he can start making big demands due to some horrific results. Many clubs would have sacked him already. Bayern, an actual superclub, have sacked their manager for being fourth and losing 5-1 yesterday. Bayern just sacked a a manager who won them the double. They're a couple of points off the top in early November, and doing well in the CL. That's actually a joke |
|
|
|
Post by Karma on Nov 4, 2019 10:55:41 GMT
Rogers would. I reckon the managers of Sheffield U, Villa, Wolves even Lampard would. This team isn’t as bad as it’s being made to look. mmmm Rogers and Nuno are very good managers. Lampard has Chelsea 10 points above us having lost Hazard and no transfer window. Can you honestly say we look a better coached team than the other 2 clubs ? The only manager who gives him a run for his money is Silva at Everton who must also be pinching himself that a big club took a similar gamble. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 11:00:11 GMT
My hopes hinge on DDG's new contract. I don't know how happy Ole his with his squad, but unless De Gea is brain-dead then he got assurances before committing the rest of his career to this shit show.
|
|
|
|
Post by caino on Nov 4, 2019 11:04:15 GMT
Rogers would. I reckon the managers of Sheffield U, Villa, Wolves even Lampard would. This team isn’t as bad as it’s being made to look. It's being made to look mid table. Which it is The one think I have noticed though is the poor movement of the players up front ( as well as the lack of creative passers in mf) The movement is terrible. We do not have one striker with any nous and it doesn't seem like they are being coached either. It's all a bit shit version of Leicester 4 years ago its a squad on paper that should be finishing 6th/7th. the starting line up isn't bad but our depth is shocking were nowhere near that atm. our defence and gk cost a fortune and on paper its on the best in the league rashford and martial would get into most starting line ups, bar liverpool, city, spurs, possibly arsenal. our midfield isn't great, but neither was liverpools a few seasons ago but they weren't this bad at controlling a game. the coaching just isn't there |
|
|
|
Post by bushy1987 on Nov 4, 2019 12:21:51 GMT
I think another reason is we rate our own players better then they actually are, pretty much All of our players would struggle to make the match day squad of Liverpool or City bar maybe 1 or 2, man for man I wouod probably take more Leicester players then utd 1s at the minute too
|
|
|
|
Post by Bestie on Nov 4, 2019 13:52:23 GMT
It's being made to look mid table. Which it is The one think I have noticed though is the poor movement of the players up front ( as well as the lack of creative passers in mf) The movement is terrible. We do not have one striker with any nous and it doesn't seem like they are being coached either. It's all a bit shit version of Leicester 4 years ago its a squad on paper that should be finishing 6th/7th. the starting line up isn't bad but our depth is shocking were nowhere near that atm. our defence and gk cost a fortune and on paper its on the best in the league rashford and martial would get into most starting line ups, bar liverpool, city, spurs, possibly arsenal. our midfield isn't great, but neither was liverpools a few seasons ago but they weren't this bad at controlling a game. the coaching just isn't there People will claim I've never liked him but even on paper Maguire isn't the best of anything. And his performances so far have shown it. |
|
|
|
Post by caino on Nov 4, 2019 13:56:16 GMT
I think another reason is we rate our own players better then they actually are, pretty much All of our players would struggle to make the match day squad of Liverpool or City bar maybe 1 or 2, man for man I wouod probably take more Leicester players then utd 1s at the minute too were not comparing against Liverpool now though as theyre miles ahead. the squad klopp inherited was shocking, but he was still coaching properly and you could see a system in place. at the mo you would, because ole isnt coaching our squad properly, whereas Rodgers is. all their players are improving. whereas ours aren't. they do have a lot of young talented players though. |
|
|
|
Post by caino on Nov 4, 2019 13:58:20 GMT
its a squad on paper that should be finishing 6th/7th. the starting line up isn't bad but our depth is shocking were nowhere near that atm. our defence and gk cost a fortune and on paper its on the best in the league rashford and martial would get into most starting line ups, bar liverpool, city, spurs, possibly arsenal. our midfield isn't great, but neither was liverpools a few seasons ago but they weren't this bad at controlling a game. the coaching just isn't there People will claim I've never liked him but even on paper Maguire isn't the best of anything. And his performances so far have shown it. I agree.. but as a back 5 its better than arsenal, Chelsea and spurs. on paper... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 15:08:25 GMT
On paper blah blah. In practice this team makes me question my life choices.
|
|
.
United School Boy
Posts: 0
|
Post by . on Nov 4, 2019 15:50:55 GMT
It's being made to look mid table. Which it is The one think I have noticed though is the poor movement of the players up front ( as well as the lack of creative passers in mf) The movement is terrible. We do not have one striker with any nous and it doesn't seem like they are being coached either. It's all a bit shit version of Leicester 4 years ago We’re 5 points off the relegation zone. I think we look worse than mid table. When Jose was sacked it was 12. Jose had a much better team and anyway he was a C--T He had Pogba in those first two years, along with Herrera and Fellaini, Mata before his retirement contract and despite the whinging from many, Mikki was a useful player particularly in Europe and Matic in year 2 and Lukaku and Zlatan year one as well as Martial and Rashford That's infinitely better than Fred and Pereira and 4 left wingers as strikers.. I mean seriously, you can't honestly look at that team we put out now and say it's anything but unbalanced and generally crap in midfield and completely lobsided and inexperienced in attack, with a decent defence! You can't compete at this level without a top class striker and a very creative player in the middle. You could blame Ole, for pushing out Lukaku without a replacement or actually believing he would get one, as well as some decent midfielders to replace the 3/4 gone or past it in the squad. He was more than likely the one responsible for handing Mata and Pereira extended contracts, when they both should have been cut. This is literally the worst United team, since the mid 80's, with an inexperienced, untried coach, but I doubt anyone else would get much more out of them. |
|
.
United School Boy
Posts: 0
|
Post by . on Nov 4, 2019 16:11:27 GMT
Whatever happens with Ole and it doesn't look good. Woodward is a laughing stock among his peers and the wider executive community . He is basically a charisma lacking hopped up mid level corporate banker, with merchandising and sponsorship deal making experience.
He should never have been appointed CEO after Gill and at least he should have been given 1/2 the job with a top football exec or fired after 3 years for obvious incompetence. The situation is so bad, because of his decision making, that people are running out of superlatives to describe how bad he is.
The only explanation for keeping a moron like that in charge for 7 years at a listed company, is that the board are an even dumber and more privileged bunch of inheritance fortunate idiots.
|
|
