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Post by keanosdog16 on Feb 6, 2020 8:21:01 GMT
Not sure how you can be so sure that Ole won't be here come the summer, he is exactly the person they want fronting up to the fans and media so why would they get rid, they're not bothered about the football side of it anyway and Ed has made it quite clear they are backing Ole and his "Re-build/culture reset" bollox It would be suicide for them to stick with him beyond the summer. This goes beyond a few injuries/fitness or whatever other excuses fans want to make for him. There’s only so far you can peddle rebuilding propaganda when the manager is so hilariously bad. Our next games are Chelsea, Watford, Everton, City and Spurs ( not sure it’s in that order exactly but thereabouts). I don't think they really care what anyone thinks with regard to peddling their agenda, fact is Ole tow's the company line. If Poch were to come in he would want more control, which is exactly what he wanted at Spurs, he certainly won't get the support from our gimps in charge either so why would he take it!! We are royally fucked, we have no money, attraction for players is dwindling etc....
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Post by keanosdog16 on Feb 6, 2020 8:22:12 GMT
Anyone think we should be looking north of the boarder for some "take a punt" players, Edourd of Celtic and Morelos at Rangers??
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 6, 2020 8:48:53 GMT
Anyone think we should be looking north of the boarder for some "take a punt" players, Edourd of Celtic and Morelos at Rangers?? Absolute hard no for Morelos, Edouard I'd be interested in seeing how he goes in a better league, the only thing is that Celtic have decent cash now, signing him wouldn't be such a harmless punt like it would have been a few years ago. They'd likely demand 30M+, and financially don't have to be bullied to accept less.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 6, 2020 8:52:06 GMT
Players from the Scottish Premier League?
I know we signed Igalho but Zeus almighty.
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Post by caino on Feb 6, 2020 12:36:13 GMT
Players from the Scottish Premier League? I know we signed Igalho but Zeus almighty. the same thing was said about Van Dijk and Lyon's Dembele.. Playing Devils Advocate as ive never watch these strikers apart from 1 cup final
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Post by Bestie on Feb 6, 2020 12:58:40 GMT
Players from the Scottish Premier League? I know we signed Igalho but Zeus almighty. the same thing was said about Van Dijk and Lyon's Dembele.. Playing Devils Advocate as ive never watch these strikers apart from 1 cup final They left and proved themselves elsewhere though. I wouldn't be spending anything on signing players directly from that League. Morelos, for example, is a shithouse.
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Post by Stew on Feb 6, 2020 13:18:53 GMT
Anyone think we should be looking north of the boarder for some "take a punt" players, Edourd of Celtic and Morelos at Rangers?? Absolute hard no for Morelos, Edouard I'd be interested in seeing how he goes in a better league, the only thing is that Celtic have decent cash now, signing him wouldn't be such a harmless punt like it would have been a few years ago. They'd likely demand 30M+, and financially don't have to be bullied to accept less. Spot on. Edouard looks the class player up there but I’d let him go to a Watford or Southampton and if he does it in England snap him up. It’s more expensive of course so we won’t do it.
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Post by Karma on Feb 6, 2020 14:26:35 GMT
It would be suicide for them to stick with him beyond the summer. This goes beyond a few injuries/fitness or whatever other excuses fans want to make for him. There’s only so far you can peddle rebuilding propaganda when the manager is so hilariously bad. Our next games are Chelsea, Watford, Everton, City and Spurs ( not sure it’s in that order exactly but thereabouts). I don't think they really care what anyone thinks with regard to peddling their agenda, fact is Ole tow's the company line. If Poch were to come in he would want more control, which is exactly what he wanted at Spurs, he certainly won't get the support from our gimps in charge either so why would he take it!! We are royally fucked, we have no money, attraction for players is dwindling etc.... Wenger did a very good job for his owners for a while. They need someone who can do better with what they have. Not sure the Glazers want to break the bank every summer for us to look at shit as we do. Let’s face it, with the exception of a handful of managers most of those in the PL would be doing a better job. This team isn’t as bad as he’s making it look. Sheff U came up from the Championship and they look better coached than we do.
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Post by keanosdog16 on Feb 6, 2020 15:29:56 GMT
Absolute hard no for Morelos, Edouard I'd be interested in seeing how he goes in a better league, the only thing is that Celtic have decent cash now, signing him wouldn't be such a harmless punt like it would have been a few years ago. They'd likely demand 30M+, and financially don't have to be bullied to accept less. Spot on. Edouard looks the class player up there but I’d let him go to a Watford or Southampton and if he does it in England snap him up. It’s more expensive of course so we won’t do it. This is the problem though isn't it, instead of taking a punt in purchasing from Celtic or Rangers we wait for the player to move elsewhere in the premier league to "prove" himself and then we say oh yeah he's a good player him, lets buy him at 3 times the cost, and then us fans turn round and say well why didn't we buy him before he went to a Watford or Southampton. James Maddison being prime example, could have got him from Norwich or even Coventry but no, we'll go for him now he's worth 80m. By the way, i'm not sure how good Morelos or Edourd are, just plucked them as examples but people do rave about them and their stats are good, albeit an inferior league. I know one thing, Our scouts need to pull their fuckin fingers out and start unearthing some gems..........not bloody likely though i'm sure as we seem to be useless in every single department!!😤
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Post by Stew on Feb 6, 2020 15:36:22 GMT
Spot on. Edouard looks the class player up there but I’d let him go to a Watford or Southampton and if he does it in England snap him up. It’s more expensive of course so we won’t do it. This is the problem though isn't it, instead of taking a punt in purchasing from Celtic or Rangers we wait for the player to move elsewhere in the premier league to "prove" himself and then we say oh yeah he's a good player him, lets buy him at 3 times the cost, and then us fans turn round and say well why didn't we buy him before he went to a Watford or Southampton. James Maddison being prime example, could have got him from Norwich or even Coventry but no, we'll go for him now he's worth 80m. By the way, i'm not sure how good Morelos or Edourd are, just plucked them as examples but people do rave about them and their stats are good, albeit an inferior league. I know one thing, Our scouts need to pull their fuckin fingers out and start unearthing some gems..........not bloody likely though i'm sure as we seem to be useless in every single department!!😤 Valid points. The reason I’m suggesting Edouard goes to another club first is that I genuinely have no idea if he could do it in the Premier league. I wasn’t sure about Van Dijk either. The mistake there was no getting him at Southampton because it was obvious he was top drawer there. Mane looked a very good player but his development has been a bit of a surprise. Van Dijk’s isn’t.
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Post by keanosdog16 on Feb 6, 2020 15:49:44 GMT
This is the problem though isn't it, instead of taking a punt in purchasing from Celtic or Rangers we wait for the player to move elsewhere in the premier league to "prove" himself and then we say oh yeah he's a good player him, lets buy him at 3 times the cost, and then us fans turn round and say well why didn't we buy him before he went to a Watford or Southampton. James Maddison being prime example, could have got him from Norwich or even Coventry but no, we'll go for him now he's worth 80m. By the way, i'm not sure how good Morelos or Edourd are, just plucked them as examples but people do rave about them and their stats are good, albeit an inferior league. I know one thing, Our scouts need to pull their fuckin fingers out and start unearthing some gems..........not bloody likely though i'm sure as we seem to be useless in every single department!!😤 Valid points. The reason I’m suggesting Edouard goes to another club first is that I genuinely have no idea if he could do it in the Premier league. I wasn’t sure about Van Dijk either. The mistake there was no getting him at Southampton because it was obvious he was top drawer there. Mane looked a very good player but his development has been a bit of a surprise. Van Dijk’s isn’t. Yep i agree on Van Dijk, in the end i couldn't believe we and everyone else seemed to give the scummers a free run at him when it became clear after his first season at Southampton that he was class in the making. I also liked the look of Robertson when he was at Hull and was telling work colleagues that we should be in for him too!!! Too many players have slipped our grasp in recent times and it needs to stop! Is this where the Director of football comes in? Someone with a clear vision and eye for the players to fit it!?
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Post by juanveron on Feb 7, 2020 6:23:21 GMT
Wenger did a very good job for his owners for a while. They need someone who can do better with what they have. Not sure the Glazers want to break the bank every summer for us to look at shit as we do. Let’s face it, with the exception of a handful of managers most of those in the PL would be doing a better job.
This team isn’t as bad as he’s making it look. Sheff U came up from the Championship and they look better coached than we do. I ask myself "What other club in the league would hire our manager if he was available, today?" and honestly, it looks bleak for Ole. The manager of Manchester United should be as good as anyone out there. That being said, I really do struggle to see how we'll climb back to the top without the club as an entity shifting it's focus back to football. The focus on off-field success has really corrupted the soul of the club and created a grit-less culture. I think this has been the biggest problem and why so many players and mangers have failed here since Fergie. It all starts and ends with Woodward as the CEO of the company (yes, company) and the goals that are set to determine what is a successful business year (yes, business). The reality is on-field success is not the first, second, or even third goal on the list and it shows.
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Post by Karma on Feb 8, 2020 16:23:53 GMT
Wenger did a very good job for his owners for a while. They need someone who can do better with what they have. Not sure the Glazers want to break the bank every summer for us to look at shit as we do. Let’s face it, with the exception of a handful of managers most of those in the PL would be doing a better job.
This team isn’t as bad as he’s making it look. Sheff U came up from the Championship and they look better coached than we do. I ask myself "What other club in the league would hire our manager if he was available, today?" and honestly, it looks bleak for Ole. The manager of Manchester United should be as good as anyone out there. That being said, I really do struggle to see how we'll climb back to the top without the club as an entity shifting it's focus back to football. The focus on off-field success has really corrupted the soul of the club and created a grit-less culture. I think this has been the biggest problem and why so many players and mangers have failed here since Fergie. It all starts and ends with Woodward as the CEO of the company (yes, company) and the goals that are set to determine what is a successful business year (yes, business). The reality is on-field success is not the first, second, or even third goal on the list and it shows. I actually don’t think Woodward is deliberately sabotaging us just he’s clearly out of his depth along with the manager. Then the Glazers who are facilitating it .
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Post by Bestie on Feb 8, 2020 19:24:23 GMT
I ask myself "What other club in the league would hire our manager if he was available, today?" and honestly, it looks bleak for Ole. The manager of Manchester United should be as good as anyone out there. That being said, I really do struggle to see how we'll climb back to the top without the club as an entity shifting it's focus back to football. The focus on off-field success has really corrupted the soul of the club and created a grit-less culture. I think this has been the biggest problem and why so many players and mangers have failed here since Fergie. It all starts and ends with Woodward as the CEO of the company (yes, company) and the goals that are set to determine what is a successful business year (yes, business). The reality is on-field success is not the first, second, or even third goal on the list and it shows. I actually don’t think Woodward is deliberately sabotaging us just he’s clearly out of his depth along with the manager. Then the Glazers who are facilitating it . He is though.
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Post by juanveron on Feb 8, 2020 19:34:12 GMT
I ask myself "What other club in the league would hire our manager if he was available, today?" and honestly, it looks bleak for Ole. The manager of Manchester United should be as good as anyone out there. That being said, I really do struggle to see how we'll climb back to the top without the club as an entity shifting it's focus back to football. The focus on off-field success has really corrupted the soul of the club and created a grit-less culture. I think this has been the biggest problem and why so many players and mangers have failed here since Fergie. It all starts and ends with Woodward as the CEO of the company (yes, company) and the goals that are set to determine what is a successful business year (yes, business). The reality is on-field success is not the first, second, or even third goal on the list and it shows. I actually don’t think Woodward is deliberately sabotaging us just he’s clearly out of his depth along with the manager. Then the Glazers who are facilitating it . He might not be deliberately aiming to sabotage us or cause any harm, but by clearly prioritizing commercial success over football success he is effectively ruining the club. He is the CEO of this company and he sets the tone for the company culture - if the culture was focused on football success, it would be clear for all to see.
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